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    PS Audio DirectStream DAC, a chameleon in the high foothills, by Ted Brady

     

    This has been the hardest review to write, for many reasons, not the least of which is that this DAC took me on a journey that seemed, at times, like a wild goose chase. But here we are, and if you, the reader, are like so many others, you'll go the end and find that this goose chase resulted in quite the golden goose. :)

     

    By now most of you know that this DAC is the brainchild of one Ted Smith, a longtime developer/designer/wunderkind who had been dabbling in this DAC design for over 10 years. Two major problems existed during that time: first, the technology didn't exist to do what he wanted; and second, he was but one guy in a lab, with no real ability to produce and distribute a DAC of this sort. The first problem was slowly solved by time....ingredients like the Xilinx Spartan 6 FPGA became available. The second problem was solved by one Paul McGowan of PS Audio fame. He offered Ted his help, and the result is the PS Audio DirectStream DAC, a major change in PS Audio's heretofore standard-chip PCM DAC evolution.

     

    This unit has been reviewed by others, and I invite you to visit those reviews for a more in-depth technical discussion of what this thing is made up of, including dimensions, shipping weight and pictures of its innards. I am not the most technical and will gladly leave that up to the major publications. What I can bring to the reader is another audio lover's perspective of having listened to dozens and dozens of DACs over the past several years, albeit with my own personal listening biases (my system is included in my signature link, although this session includes my recently acquired Aerial Acoustics 20T speakers).

     

    I first became excited to hear this DAC when, during a getaway to the Boulder, CO area with my wife, I was able to visit and chat with Paul at the PS Audio headquarters (thanks to friend and master cable maker Greg Graff of MG Audio Design for setting up the meeting and being our chauffeur). Paul took me on a tour of the facility, and it was clearly evident that this company knew what it was doing; it knew its strengths and had a long history of customer support and satisfaction. However, this DAC was new to all of them and was a "stretch" for PS Audio (my opinion, not theirs necessarily); they had never done a DSD product, and to my knowledge the DS was going to be their most expensive product to date, too. Paul was ready to go, though, and it was evident he was appreciative to have Ted Smith on this team.

     

    As a DAC designer Ted was presented with the typical choices of off-the-shelf DAC chips, all of which are very capable at ultimately delivering toe-tapping musical output, given a white glove treatment after the chip output (very high quality analog stage of either solid state or tubed design, quiet powerful ac supplies, etc). Some chips, like the ubiquitous ESS Sabre 9018, have incredible sample rate choices, but trade those choices for the need to harness that power downstream lest one create what the audio lover has come to know as Sabre-allergy, the well-known easily-identifiable sound of a razor-sharp leading edge that can ruin the illusion of real musicians playing to one's whim. Folks like George Klissarov (exaSound) and Xuanqian Wang (Auralic) have figured out how to tame that beast better than others, and the results speak for themselves.

     

    Ted, on the other hand, had a design idea that no off-the-shelf chip could handle. He was battling his love of DSD (and its inherent noise shaping baggage) with the very different, but noisy nonetheless, PCM brick wall filters. What if he could take either format and send it into deep space (oversampling to, say, 30Mhz, and 30 bits, where the many-multiples of all known PCM and DSD noise filters all come together), send the noise into the ether, then return to a high earth orbit of 5.6Mhz. At that height there is still very little noise to interfere, and then "simply" send to an industry-proven set of PS Audio power supplies and analog parts? Would it sound better?

     

    Enter the field programmable gate array (aka FPGA, my audio acronym of the year). It is a sort of tabula rasa for DAC chips, a hardware/software platform chip that allows for almost infinite "roll your own" chip design. The code can be tens of thousands of lines, but the good news/bad news is that once a DAC manufacturer enters this hallowed world, it becomes a software company. Why is that good news? Because the consumer then buys into a product idea that has potential for significant improvement and change through downloadable firmware and software updates All audio equipment these days includes software, so why not invest in one where the code is owned and maintained by the equipment manufacturer, allowing for an evolving set of fixes, improvements and feature enhancements (within reason and scope). Companies like PS Audio, Chord and others are perfectly positioned for this new approach, as they have mature organizations and knowledge bases that can deliver updates and fixes in a reasonable process. Oh, the bad news? Not all audio companies can take this on, and not all audio units are designed for upgradeability. More to the point, this unit has already had two large FPGA and driver updates, and the resultant sound was improved both times.

     

    DSC_0039-200px.JPGThe PS Audio DirectStream DAC will accept PCM and DSD music up to 24/352.8K PCM (aka DXD) and DSD128 (aka 2X DSD) and will accept it in a plethora of digital inputs; the back panel includes RCA S/PDIF, toslink (limited to 96k), USB, AES/EBU and the house favorite for PS Audio users, the somewhat proprietary (oxymoron I know) I2S input, housed via a pin-compatible HDMI connection. Each of these inputs eventually meet at an internal I2S connection, and then to the FPGA. There is also a smart card input for the aforementioned code updates (FPGA code, USB driver, etc). There is an ethernet connector for their own networked Bridge product, as well.

     

     

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    DSC_00399-200px.jpgOn the front panel the DS has a nice touch screen (an evolution from the look and feel of their earlier PerfectWave DAC units) which handles, along with the included remote, input selection, high/low gain selection, volume control (for direct to amp capability), balance, and software information (versions, etc), along with a running display of format and sample rate of the incoming signal. Note: I am not a huge fan of touch screens, given that my DAC is usually not within touch distance, nor can I read the screen from my listening position, but that's purely my own pet peeve (and poor eyesight). The screen display can be turned off remotely, and given PS Audio's long experience with them, they are likely not a huge cost issue nor repair issue. And it's a nice demo feature, too. :)

     

    The DAC's chassis is a beautifully done silver or black copy of their own transport (the Perfect Wave Transport) and includes a hand polished top cover of black-lacquered automotive-finished lexan-looking MDF. Very nice. As it should be for $6000 ($4000 for PS audio owners who are in the Company's long-standing upgrade program, as they turn in their former PWD DACs for upgrade; a nice feature given the poor resale value of ever-evolving digital gear on the audio classified sections).

     

    I was told (but forget by whom) that the DS would require significant break-in. Ted was not as adamant, but gave me a few hints on trying to accelerate that process (running on low gain will run more current through the transformer, etc). I have another good news/bad news item. The good news is that there seems to be nothing in this DAC that gets hot. The bad news, heat helps break in (eventually spoiling it, however) so my patience began to wear thin at about 800 hours. Why? Why not just listen and enjoy? Well, therein lies the theme of my first several months with the DirectStream.

     

    I tried every known input source I had on hand (pc running JRiver/Jplay using high-end USB card and power conditioning, Auralic Aries renderer via USB/toslink/spdif/AES, Aurender Linux server running USB, yada yada). What evolved (there's that word again) after the 800 hours was akin to the most amazing new 4K video display you've ever seen, with details that boggled the mind, yet never looked artificial nor over-enhanced. Subtle details and image densities that I'd never heard before, on recordings that I was so familiar with that when I heard an even 30 db down nuance new to me I would jump out of my chair. I am a music lover, but sometimes this demo-quality playlist stuff can drive one insane. Why did I not want to venture on to my real fave selections? Getting back to the CES demo of that incredible 4K display.....lo and behold they had somehow turned the color and hue knobs all the way down. ? Ansel Adams in black and white is nice; Stardust Memories in black and white is still funny (but not as funny as his earlier stuff); but....my favorite music in black and white? I was bored. I tried everything. I put the DS on the shelf for a few weeks and then went back to it. I would try the bloomiest of music, or tube roll my preamp to the bloomiest/timbre-soaked tubes of Mullard variety, still no relief, only a black and white depiction with newly introduced veils. Argh!

     

    I was stumped and ready to write a review that this DAC is the perfect fit, perfect antidote, for those systems that are overly colored, overly warm. Yes, a poorly hidden left-handed compliment. Not usable in my system, but maybe if you have one that already has plenty of color and tonality? (That is not to say my system is overly analytical, and therefore I felt bad that this review would be seen for what it was...throwing a bone to an otherwise good Company and good folks.)

     

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    A few weeks ago I got a call from a good audio buddy, Jesus R of Sonore fame. He wanted me to hear his flagship UPnP renderer, the Sonore Signature Rendu. It is an ethernet to SPDIF (or I2S-HDMI) converter/renderer. Sure, why not. A couple weeks ago it arrived and I hooked it up via BNC/SPDIF to my Chird Hugo. Hmmm...very nice indeed. (Note: Chris's review of said Signature Rendu is due out presently). The DirectStream, gathering a little dust while I decided how to write the review, was calling out to me "play me, play me".

     

    Jesus is very proud of the work that went into the Signature Rendu, especially the very low jitter, very high quality I2S output (compatible with several pin-compliant I2S HDMI inputs on several different DACS, including the DirectStream.) As luck and irony would have it, the Rendu setup required me dusting off an old PS Audio P300 ac-generator to block some house-bound dc that caused the Rendu to drop off the LAN periodically (a fix that is coming soon, according to Jesus). After confirming that a P300-powered Sig Rendu was now rock solidly connected, I found a nice Nordost HDMI cable and entered the world of I2S (I can't tell you how many sources, format converters or DACs I've had in here that taunted me with this connection, but this was the first time I had input and output together in one room).

     

    This began one Monday evening at 8pm. My first taste of this combination lasted, without wine-induced bathroom break or any other silly distraction, until about 3am in the morning. It was an audiophile's best dream, an audio lover's best attempt of heaven on earth, a contender for one of two or three best audio listening sessions of my life. Due to my well-heeled assumptions, I went from WTF to laughter (yes, I think I physically laughed out loud a few times; thank god no one heard me; they were all asleep) then back to WTF several times. The display analogy: not only had they turned the color and hue controls back on, the display became 3D (without glasses, thank you) and had the blackest blacks I'd ever seen. Again, sorry, but WTF! Why, with this input (Ted promised me all inputs were identical) would the DirectStream now explode into colors, tones, rhythms, clarity, absurdly accurate image density, and overall musicality that I've maybe never heard before. Why? Yes, the Signature Rendu is a clearly a special piece, but it needs a partner, and the DirectStream danced with it like they have been secretly practicing every dance style for 30 years.

     

    I-squared-S is a native connection; by that I mean two things: 1) that both PCM and DSD can be natively streamed, without the need for DoP (DSD over PCM process, which for some odd paths requires wav or FLAC containerizing), so when using Minimserver one needs not do the Dopwav commands if your renderer formerly needed that; 2) it is an unencumbered signal path directly to the Xilinx FPGA Spartan 6. To this day I don't know what jitter sounds like, but as of that special night and going forward, I now think I know what no-jitter sounds like.

     

    nmd.jpgWhether it was demo tracks or any of my other regular rotation, this new combination threw a most musical, accurate (yes, those are not opposites) and detailed soundstage in front of me. On New Moon Daughter (Blue Note, 24/192) Cassandra Wilson's opening "Strange Fruit", a Billie Holiday classic, had all the wetness and organic vibe I'd ever heard from this tracks, with the cornet solo at the beginning occupying a perfect space at the rear of the left center soundstage. The decays sounded as natural as can be (dunno, I wasn't there when recorded). On Keith Richard's under-appreciated solo album Main Offender (Virgin, redbook) the capture of the amp buzz of those sessions is incredibly well done, and on the right systems the album sounds live and dynamic as heck. Yep, here too, in spades. On "Will But You Won't" you can actually here when the second guitar mic feed opens up, prior to first rip. Very wild indeed.

     

    Those two examples represent PCM playback with a machine that eventually treats everything as DSD128. What about, say, DSD and DSD128 (neither of which get a free pass...they are both upsampled to deep space). Well, on Us (Geffen, DSD) Peter Gabriel's 6th studio album, the SACD mastering is a huge step forward and is one of my favorite test albums for pop/rock DSD playback. The DS did not disappoint; "Only Us"/"Washing of The Water" combination is a nice test for leading edge, percussive tonality and noise floor. Let me start with noise floor. Whether it is I2S or what, the DS portrays a noise floor of cavernous proportions, a trait that seems to be the most influential on adjectives like clarity, micro-detail, air and even dynamics (since you can now hear the quietest of the musical nuances). I sat there for 58 minutes (the length of the album) and almost gawked at the energy and mix of colors and tones I was hearing. Oh, and as a dyed-in-the-wool computer audiophile I almost NEVER listen to a full album anymore...which is a confession I am not always proud of. Well, when listener fatigue becomes non-existent (and I don't need to work the next morning) this setup tempts me to listen all the way through.

     

    ericbibb.jpgOther DSD recordings, including my favorite Mari Kodama Beethoven Piano sonatas collection (Pentatone, DSD) played back with energy, sizzle (when appropriate) and a very 3D soundstage. Was this the best DSD I'd ever heard? Maybe not (dynamics and air are 95% of the best DSD I've heard), but as a dual format DAC (PCM and DSD) it leads the pack, and at the end of the day, I am not thinking about other DACs (ok, that sounds too creepy I guess, sorry). When given DSD128, like the wonderful Eric Bibb download compilation of analog-to-DSD tape transfers, A Selection of Analogue (Opus 3, DSD128) his slightly gravely-but-soft voice comes through in great detail, without sacrificing tone and, well, analog(ue) naturalness. Whether it's the pedal organ and the Deacon choir on "Where the Green Grass Grows" or the steel guitar solos throughout, the relaxed feeling of Eric Bibb music is conveyed nicely, thank you.

     

    This DAC is a difficult one to categorize. It is hyper-DSD internally, yet plays back PCM even better than it does DSD. It is supposed to be input-agnostic, yet I2S is easily the best input for me, followed by USB and then all the others relatively equally. By the way, it joins other open system DACs as being UAC2 compatible, meaning that no drivers are required for MAC or Linux (read: streamer) handshaking. That is a nice feature and shouldn't go un-noticed.

     

    So...what does one do if he/she has no I2S connection (all my listening feedback here was via I2S)? I tried going back and listening to the other inputs (especially my highest quality USB, as noted above) , and although this evolution (damn it) has seemed to continue to open them up a bit (especially USB via the JCAT card and either JCAT cable or TotalDAC D1 cable), there is no turning back for me. As a dual format USB DAC it is very good and recommended on all $5K+ budget's short list. As an I2S DAC I can't think of why this wouldn't be your first choice. And as a Signature Rendu owner, sell your blood, sell something quickly and go buy this DAC (and yes, give it 800 hours or more, although I don't know how good it would sound cold....maybe not bad at all!!!). :)

     

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    Ted Brady

     

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    P.S. I welcome Ted Smith to please tell us why this last chapter (or more appropriately the first several bad ones) of listening happened, and why I am getting such different sonic experiences with different inputs.

     

     

     

     

    Manufacturer's comment:

     

    Thank you for your thorough and detailed appraisal. It's been a long journey to

    bring Ted Smith's*design into production, from the first time Gus Skinas played Ted's

    hand-built proof-of-concept*for us, until now.

     

    Starting with*Ted's brilliant vision and code, our Director of Engineering, Dave Paananen,

    our Chief Engineer, Bob Stadtherr*and their whole crew of designers and technicians have put in

    thousands of hours to bring DirectStream to market.

     

    The response to all the hard work has been gratifying; DirectStream has been well-received

    all over the world. Perhaps the most exciting part of DirectStream's design is that, thanks to its

    ability to be updated with new firmware, the best is yet to come!

     

    Paul McGowan, founder and CEO, PS Audio

     

     

     

     

     

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    Product Information:

     

    • Product - PS Audio DirectStream DAC
    • Price - $5,999
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    Yes and Dom promised me one (multichannel) for review, when they surface. Should be interesting.

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    Yes and Dom promised me one (multichannel) for review, when they surface. Should be interesting.

     

    Let's hope the price on their Multichannel NADAC is somewhat reasonable (I've read that the Stereo version is $7,500).

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    Mini-rumor was that they'd be same $$ as its the same dac, just reconfigured 8 chips from 4 per side to one per channel. I stupidly failed to comfirm $ with Dom.

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    Come back to report in 500-800 hours......

     

    Wow thats torcher...:-) listening to thin bright music for that long. Would it be considered burning if i just connected my computer to dac with no analog out and put it on repeat? Or do i need to connect the analog out of the dac to a real signal?

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    Wow thats torcher...:-) listening to thin bright music for that long. Would it be considered burning if i just connected my computer to dac with no analog out and put it on repeat? Or do i need to connect the analog out of the dac to a real signal?

    The former will do for the DS DAC but if you connect something on its output, you might want to invoke the -20dB switch. This draws more current on the transformer output. In this case you have to connect an amp. No current is drawn on an open circuit, however there will be some current drawn via the fixed resistor to ground.

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    Mini-rumor was that they'd be same $$ as its the same dac, just reconfigured 8 chips from 4 per side to one per channel. I stupidly failed to comfirm $ with Dom.

     

    Really? That's good news - certainly not how Multichannel DACs are usually priced.

     

    I see they have the first page of the NADAC web site up now. Hopefully we will get more info on features, pricing and availability when the Merging team returns - and recovers - from CES! :)

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    I am using this USB converter with the DS: Hydra Z | Audiobyte

    Auralic Aries USB to AudioByte Hydra-Z to PS Audio DirectStream I2s.

     

    I have been out of the loop for a while. Can you comment on the merits of inserting the Hydra converter into the chain behind a CAPS 3.0, feeding a DirectStream via I2S, compared to running USB straight from the CAPS 3.0? I have a feeling it is all splitting digital hairs, but I could be wrong.

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    Actually Erik, it is behind an ethernet renderer, Auralic Aries, which gets its music from maybe a CAPS 3.0, dunno, but the renderer is now the source, not the CAPS, which is a DLNA server (assuming he has a CAPS 3.0 as his server, dunno).

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    Actually Erik, it is behind an ethernet renderer, Auralic Aries, which gets its music from maybe a CAPS 3.0, dunno, but the renderer is now the source, not the CAPS, which is a DLNA server (assuming he has a CAPS 3.0 as his server, dunno).

     

    Hi Ted. This makes no sense. The Hydra Z is a USB converter, so it must be taking the USB input from the Aries USB output. While there is probably computer in the chain, there must be a benefit to inserting the USB converter between Aries and DAC. If this is substantial, it stands to reason similar benefits can be achieved inserting it between CAPS 3.0 and DirectStream DAC and use the I2S interface on the PS Audio. I was actually intrigued to explore the I2S signal path because of your review... What am I missing?

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    I hope this explanation will clear things up;

    The Aries is used as the source, feeding the Hydra via its USB output.

    The Aries music library resides on a NAS connected to my router. Aries is on WiFi.

    The output of the Hydra is fed to the DS I2s input.

    There is no CAPS involved. I have a HTPC with Minimserver, however I have not done any direct comparisons.

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    I hope this explanation will clear things up;

    The Aries is used as the source, feeding the Hydra via its USB output.

    The Aries music library resides on a NAS connected to my router. Aries is on WiFi.

    The output of the Hydra is fed to the DS I2s input.

    There is no CAPS involved. I have a HTPC with Minimserver, however I have not done any direct comparisons.

     

    Thanks for clarifying. I think I understand the setup. My question is simple. How does running the Aries USB directly into the DS compare with running it through the hydra and converting to I2S. I would assume you have tried this - am I wrong?

     

    If this is a material improvement, it stands to reason, similar improvements can be achieved inserting the Hydra between CAPS 3.0 and DS and converting to I2S.

     

    For reference, someone on the PS audio site did the comparison (Aries with and without Hydra into DS), and reported these findings. Is this consistent with your impressions?

     

    ..... the impressions I got is that the sound from the H-Z is extremely clean. Maybe on the verge of being tight and slightly anemic in the bass region when going direct with no preamp. However with a preamp in the loop there is increased bloom that matches it very well. The funny thing is that the USB output of the Aries actually feels quite warm (maybe tightened up a little on the latest updates). For those who think the Aries USB output is too soft, I can assure you that the H-Z compensates for this......

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    As I thought, no CAPS involved, just a NAS DLNA app (as I am setup). Erik sorry I said "behind", I meant being served by an Aries (and an up-until-now unbeknownst server) via USB, not a CAPS.

     

    I am not sure what price it is to be converted a couple times, just to get to I2S. Plus, know from other sources (let alone Jesus's spec sheet) that the I2S in the Signature Rendu is quite special (thank you JS) and those quality parts needs to be factored in the comparison (to the I2S in the Hydra, for example). So, NAS to CAPs to USB to I2S (of unknown quality) needs to compete with NAS to Signature Rendu's I2S. My money is on the Rendu's more direct and dedicated path, but if someone wants to send me a Hydra+ I can do the compare (NAS library to dual CAPS with JCAT card, JCAT USB, to Hydra USB out to Hydra I2S). :)

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    As I thought, no CAPS involved, just a NAS DLNA app (as I am setup). Erik sorry I said "behind", I meant being served by an Aries (and an up-until-now unbeknownst server) via USB, not a CAPS.

     

    I am not sure what price it is to be converted a couple times, just to get to I2S. Plus, know from other sources (let alone Jesus's spec sheet) that the I2S in the Signature Rendu is quite special (thank you JS) and those quality parts needs to be factored in the comparison (to the I2S in the Hydra, for example). So, NAS to CAPs to USB to I2S (of unknown quality) needs to compete with NAS to Signature Rendu's I2S. My money is on the Rendu's more direct and dedicated path, but if someone wants to send me a Hydra+ I can do the compare (NAS library to dual CAPS with JCAT card, JCAT USB, to Hydra USB out to Hydra I2S). :)

     

    Ted, for me these options all all off the table, because I am running Dirac on my CAPS. The Rendu nor Aries will allow me to do this or any other form of DRC. My only option to stream and still use DRC is to switch from Dirac to Acourate and use convolution in JRiver v20. If I go down this path, I would wait for the new bridge and have a much simpler signal path. However, apparently this is not yet robust enough, so my only option to keep DRC and still have I2S into the DS is to insert the Hydra into the signal path.

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    edorr;

    The impressions on the PSA community are made by me (under another nick).

    The impressions describes Aries direct to DS via USB vs. Hydra in the loop.

     

    ted_b;

    The clock crystal in the Rendu Signature is the same make and type in both units. I am pretty confident that both units uses top of the line/higher grade components. My guess is that the Hydra would cost $500-700 MSRP in the US.

    With the Sonore you don't need the Aries (for good or bad).

    The Hydra is CE approved.

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    Erik,

    You are making my point. My I2S experience should not be considered "I2S is the best interface and I need to do whatever I can to get there". I think it has as much to do with the direct path I am taking with the Sig Rendu...a perfect storm of sorts, taking absolutely nothing away from the DS. With DSP much more of a required feature-set, I am not at all sure that getting to I2S should be your goal, necessarily.

     

    Distinctive,

    I'm not sure what you meant by "same in both units" but the parts list of the two Rendus are quite different, as is the price. They are not equivalent. And I liked the Hydra+ when I had it, but never tested the I2S. By the way, the Aries (I am a beta tester) is no the Sig Rendu either, nor should it be given the price and parts involved. They are built for two different audiences.

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    By the way, the Aries (I am a beta tester) is no the Sig Rendu either, nor should it be given the price and parts involved. They are built for two different audiences.

     

    Yeah, but I wish Sonore or someone else would make a USB streamer on the level of the Sig Rendu, and with the Rendu's ability to give the user UI options (not locked into proprietary software like the Aurender). The spdif limitation of the Rendu (few of us have I2S input DACs) limits format options to 24/192 and single rate DSD for many DACs that can only accomodate all their hi-res input formats over USB.

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    Distinctive,

    I'm not sure what you meant by "same in both units" but the parts list of the two Rendus are quite different, as is the price. They are not equivalent. And I liked the Hydra+ when I had it, but never tested the I2S. By the way, the Aries (I am a beta tester) is no the Sig Rendu either, nor should it be given the price and parts involved. They are built for two different audiences.

    I think you misunderstood. I am still talking about the Hydra Z vs the Rendu S.

    So the clock components inside the Hydra Z are the same as the clock components inside the Rendu S. The Hydra Z is a step up from the Hydra X on SQ from what I have understood.

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    ...to this day I don't know what jitter sounds like, but as of that special night and going forward, I now think I know what no-jitter sounds like...

     

    Ted, please cherish the sound and your no-jitter system. It is IMO a very rare thing, very fragile and to some degree a matter of luck. I would make as few changes as possible from this point on.

     

    Years ago I have experienced sound in my system that interestingly I also described as "no-jitter" at the time. There is no way to compare it to anything, just music. Essentially unlimited dynamics and resolution of every note, absolute timing, PRAT and coherence, complete blackness, the dac had no sound of its own, every recording and instrument had a unique character and space. It wasn't smooth or sharp, warm or bright, it was just right in every way possible.

     

    The interesting thing was that the setup was very inexpensive, XP computer with EMU 1212 pci soundcard feeding benchmark DAC1 via glass toslink. It was jaw dropping, to this day I don't know why this combination had this magic. The sad part was that I had to dissasmble the system for various reasons, DAC1 was already pending sale when I achieved this.

    I tried going back to this very setup soon after, bought another DAC1, no joy, then another (different versions) but could never achieve the same result. DACs had their own sound, grain and magic was no longer there.

    Since then every time I try a new dac/setup I look for this unmistaken sound. No luck so far, and I have heard many top notch devices including Meitner, dcs Vivaldi stack etc.

     

    Sounds like you have striked the gold and you are right, there is no going back from that. Enjoy. Too bad it is so expensive 8-(

    But with a right combination and luck it doesn't have to be.

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    Audiokiep, ain't that the truth!! Since my new setup I have, of course, like an warm blooded audiophile, tried to improve it via cable changes, jumper changes, tube rolling, etc. I am pretty confident that I can always go back to that setup, and sure enough I do. Phew!

     

    Thanks for the comments; luck is very important, as is knowledge of its fragility. It's one of the more frustrating parts of this hobby; even with specs and measurements, and experience that "these two things together worked before" it doesn't always seem that 1+1=2 every time. And that's with the ridiculous level of commitment to detail most of us work within (knowing which direction the jumpers were in last time, etc).

     

    Anyway...thx and enjoy the music.

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    Ted: I need to understand this Signature Rendu setup a little better, if you can please. Currently I am running Single PC CAPS with Phil's AO with Hugo DAC (JCAT USB Card, Cable, etc.). If I go Rendu and PS DirectStream, would I still need/use the CAPS, or it is not needed. I do use JRiver/JRemote, so I would certainly like to keep that functionality. My music on a WD 4TB Cloud external HDD connected to switch via Ethernet cable (I have not moved to Synology yet, I keep backup on another drive). Please help me understand the setup a little better. Thanks.

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    Signature8,

    You can only keep your JRemote if you keep JRIver. So...if you keep JRIver (which only runs on a true computer or its own ID, not a NAS) you keep the CAPS as your JRIver server (or sell it and buy a JRIver ID machine). You turn JRIver into a DLNA server.

     

    Me, in my Rendu setup, I do not use JRiver or JRemote as I have found Minimserver running on my Synology NAS to sound slightly better (weird I know). but it forces me to abandon JRemote (system had to sound better enough to lose that great remote) and use other remotes (aka DLNA control points). I currently use either iPad's Linn Kazoo or Android's BubbleUPnP, whichever tablet is nearby, frankly. Now that I have Minimserver and Bubbleserver on the NAS (Bubble turns the Rendu into an OpenHome Rendu, which brings nice extensions to DLNA like having playlists that don;t go away when you switch remotes) I can switch abck and forth whenevr I want. I am now also using Tidal lossless streaming on the android BubbleUPnP remote and using radio station streaming on either. All through the Rendu into the DS via I2S (or into the Hugo via SPDIF).

     

    So, net/net in my system I use no personal computer in my setup, just NAS and Rendu (both of which are literally computers, of course, what isn't).

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    BTW, Rendu isn't my ONLY setup. I still run JRiver/Jplay on a dual WS2012 AO setup, too. And an Aurender X100L...and an Aries. :) And my mutichannel setup has, as it's heart, the exaSound e28 DAC. :)

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    BTW, Rendu isn't my ONLY setup. I still run JRiver/Jplay on a dual WS2012 AO setup, too. And an Aurender X100L...and an Aries. :) And my mutichannel setup has, as it's heart, the exaSound e28 DAC. :)

     

    I know. I was going to put together my second PC (Audio PC) for my Win Server 2012+AO and Hugo, but after reading you review, I am inclined to try the Rendu route, sounds better (as you have said) and simpler, and second PC could cost as much as the Rendu, I guess. DS and Synology DS415+ are on order, once I get that setup, I will try Rendu. Thanks for all your help.

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    Signature Rendu and the Hugo are a damn good combo too..

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