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    PS Audio DirectStream DAC, a chameleon in the high foothills, by Ted Brady

     

    This has been the hardest review to write, for many reasons, not the least of which is that this DAC took me on a journey that seemed, at times, like a wild goose chase. But here we are, and if you, the reader, are like so many others, you'll go the end and find that this goose chase resulted in quite the golden goose. :)

     

    By now most of you know that this DAC is the brainchild of one Ted Smith, a longtime developer/designer/wunderkind who had been dabbling in this DAC design for over 10 years. Two major problems existed during that time: first, the technology didn't exist to do what he wanted; and second, he was but one guy in a lab, with no real ability to produce and distribute a DAC of this sort. The first problem was slowly solved by time....ingredients like the Xilinx Spartan 6 FPGA became available. The second problem was solved by one Paul McGowan of PS Audio fame. He offered Ted his help, and the result is the PS Audio DirectStream DAC, a major change in PS Audio's heretofore standard-chip PCM DAC evolution.

     

    This unit has been reviewed by others, and I invite you to visit those reviews for a more in-depth technical discussion of what this thing is made up of, including dimensions, shipping weight and pictures of its innards. I am not the most technical and will gladly leave that up to the major publications. What I can bring to the reader is another audio lover's perspective of having listened to dozens and dozens of DACs over the past several years, albeit with my own personal listening biases (my system is included in my signature link, although this session includes my recently acquired Aerial Acoustics 20T speakers).

     

    I first became excited to hear this DAC when, during a getaway to the Boulder, CO area with my wife, I was able to visit and chat with Paul at the PS Audio headquarters (thanks to friend and master cable maker Greg Graff of MG Audio Design for setting up the meeting and being our chauffeur). Paul took me on a tour of the facility, and it was clearly evident that this company knew what it was doing; it knew its strengths and had a long history of customer support and satisfaction. However, this DAC was new to all of them and was a "stretch" for PS Audio (my opinion, not theirs necessarily); they had never done a DSD product, and to my knowledge the DS was going to be their most expensive product to date, too. Paul was ready to go, though, and it was evident he was appreciative to have Ted Smith on this team.

     

    As a DAC designer Ted was presented with the typical choices of off-the-shelf DAC chips, all of which are very capable at ultimately delivering toe-tapping musical output, given a white glove treatment after the chip output (very high quality analog stage of either solid state or tubed design, quiet powerful ac supplies, etc). Some chips, like the ubiquitous ESS Sabre 9018, have incredible sample rate choices, but trade those choices for the need to harness that power downstream lest one create what the audio lover has come to know as Sabre-allergy, the well-known easily-identifiable sound of a razor-sharp leading edge that can ruin the illusion of real musicians playing to one's whim. Folks like George Klissarov (exaSound) and Xuanqian Wang (Auralic) have figured out how to tame that beast better than others, and the results speak for themselves.

     

    Ted, on the other hand, had a design idea that no off-the-shelf chip could handle. He was battling his love of DSD (and its inherent noise shaping baggage) with the very different, but noisy nonetheless, PCM brick wall filters. What if he could take either format and send it into deep space (oversampling to, say, 30Mhz, and 30 bits, where the many-multiples of all known PCM and DSD noise filters all come together), send the noise into the ether, then return to a high earth orbit of 5.6Mhz. At that height there is still very little noise to interfere, and then "simply" send to an industry-proven set of PS Audio power supplies and analog parts? Would it sound better?

     

    Enter the field programmable gate array (aka FPGA, my audio acronym of the year). It is a sort of tabula rasa for DAC chips, a hardware/software platform chip that allows for almost infinite "roll your own" chip design. The code can be tens of thousands of lines, but the good news/bad news is that once a DAC manufacturer enters this hallowed world, it becomes a software company. Why is that good news? Because the consumer then buys into a product idea that has potential for significant improvement and change through downloadable firmware and software updates All audio equipment these days includes software, so why not invest in one where the code is owned and maintained by the equipment manufacturer, allowing for an evolving set of fixes, improvements and feature enhancements (within reason and scope). Companies like PS Audio, Chord and others are perfectly positioned for this new approach, as they have mature organizations and knowledge bases that can deliver updates and fixes in a reasonable process. Oh, the bad news? Not all audio companies can take this on, and not all audio units are designed for upgradeability. More to the point, this unit has already had two large FPGA and driver updates, and the resultant sound was improved both times.

     

    DSC_0039-200px.JPGThe PS Audio DirectStream DAC will accept PCM and DSD music up to 24/352.8K PCM (aka DXD) and DSD128 (aka 2X DSD) and will accept it in a plethora of digital inputs; the back panel includes RCA S/PDIF, toslink (limited to 96k), USB, AES/EBU and the house favorite for PS Audio users, the somewhat proprietary (oxymoron I know) I2S input, housed via a pin-compatible HDMI connection. Each of these inputs eventually meet at an internal I2S connection, and then to the FPGA. There is also a smart card input for the aforementioned code updates (FPGA code, USB driver, etc). There is an ethernet connector for their own networked Bridge product, as well.

     

     

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    DSC_00399-200px.jpgOn the front panel the DS has a nice touch screen (an evolution from the look and feel of their earlier PerfectWave DAC units) which handles, along with the included remote, input selection, high/low gain selection, volume control (for direct to amp capability), balance, and software information (versions, etc), along with a running display of format and sample rate of the incoming signal. Note: I am not a huge fan of touch screens, given that my DAC is usually not within touch distance, nor can I read the screen from my listening position, but that's purely my own pet peeve (and poor eyesight). The screen display can be turned off remotely, and given PS Audio's long experience with them, they are likely not a huge cost issue nor repair issue. And it's a nice demo feature, too. :)

     

    The DAC's chassis is a beautifully done silver or black copy of their own transport (the Perfect Wave Transport) and includes a hand polished top cover of black-lacquered automotive-finished lexan-looking MDF. Very nice. As it should be for $6000 ($4000 for PS audio owners who are in the Company's long-standing upgrade program, as they turn in their former PWD DACs for upgrade; a nice feature given the poor resale value of ever-evolving digital gear on the audio classified sections).

     

    I was told (but forget by whom) that the DS would require significant break-in. Ted was not as adamant, but gave me a few hints on trying to accelerate that process (running on low gain will run more current through the transformer, etc). I have another good news/bad news item. The good news is that there seems to be nothing in this DAC that gets hot. The bad news, heat helps break in (eventually spoiling it, however) so my patience began to wear thin at about 800 hours. Why? Why not just listen and enjoy? Well, therein lies the theme of my first several months with the DirectStream.

     

    I tried every known input source I had on hand (pc running JRiver/Jplay using high-end USB card and power conditioning, Auralic Aries renderer via USB/toslink/spdif/AES, Aurender Linux server running USB, yada yada). What evolved (there's that word again) after the 800 hours was akin to the most amazing new 4K video display you've ever seen, with details that boggled the mind, yet never looked artificial nor over-enhanced. Subtle details and image densities that I'd never heard before, on recordings that I was so familiar with that when I heard an even 30 db down nuance new to me I would jump out of my chair. I am a music lover, but sometimes this demo-quality playlist stuff can drive one insane. Why did I not want to venture on to my real fave selections? Getting back to the CES demo of that incredible 4K display.....lo and behold they had somehow turned the color and hue knobs all the way down. ? Ansel Adams in black and white is nice; Stardust Memories in black and white is still funny (but not as funny as his earlier stuff); but....my favorite music in black and white? I was bored. I tried everything. I put the DS on the shelf for a few weeks and then went back to it. I would try the bloomiest of music, or tube roll my preamp to the bloomiest/timbre-soaked tubes of Mullard variety, still no relief, only a black and white depiction with newly introduced veils. Argh!

     

    I was stumped and ready to write a review that this DAC is the perfect fit, perfect antidote, for those systems that are overly colored, overly warm. Yes, a poorly hidden left-handed compliment. Not usable in my system, but maybe if you have one that already has plenty of color and tonality? (That is not to say my system is overly analytical, and therefore I felt bad that this review would be seen for what it was...throwing a bone to an otherwise good Company and good folks.)

     

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    A few weeks ago I got a call from a good audio buddy, Jesus R of Sonore fame. He wanted me to hear his flagship UPnP renderer, the Sonore Signature Rendu. It is an ethernet to SPDIF (or I2S-HDMI) converter/renderer. Sure, why not. A couple weeks ago it arrived and I hooked it up via BNC/SPDIF to my Chird Hugo. Hmmm...very nice indeed. (Note: Chris's review of said Signature Rendu is due out presently). The DirectStream, gathering a little dust while I decided how to write the review, was calling out to me "play me, play me".

     

    Jesus is very proud of the work that went into the Signature Rendu, especially the very low jitter, very high quality I2S output (compatible with several pin-compliant I2S HDMI inputs on several different DACS, including the DirectStream.) As luck and irony would have it, the Rendu setup required me dusting off an old PS Audio P300 ac-generator to block some house-bound dc that caused the Rendu to drop off the LAN periodically (a fix that is coming soon, according to Jesus). After confirming that a P300-powered Sig Rendu was now rock solidly connected, I found a nice Nordost HDMI cable and entered the world of I2S (I can't tell you how many sources, format converters or DACs I've had in here that taunted me with this connection, but this was the first time I had input and output together in one room).

     

    This began one Monday evening at 8pm. My first taste of this combination lasted, without wine-induced bathroom break or any other silly distraction, until about 3am in the morning. It was an audiophile's best dream, an audio lover's best attempt of heaven on earth, a contender for one of two or three best audio listening sessions of my life. Due to my well-heeled assumptions, I went from WTF to laughter (yes, I think I physically laughed out loud a few times; thank god no one heard me; they were all asleep) then back to WTF several times. The display analogy: not only had they turned the color and hue controls back on, the display became 3D (without glasses, thank you) and had the blackest blacks I'd ever seen. Again, sorry, but WTF! Why, with this input (Ted promised me all inputs were identical) would the DirectStream now explode into colors, tones, rhythms, clarity, absurdly accurate image density, and overall musicality that I've maybe never heard before. Why? Yes, the Signature Rendu is a clearly a special piece, but it needs a partner, and the DirectStream danced with it like they have been secretly practicing every dance style for 30 years.

     

    I-squared-S is a native connection; by that I mean two things: 1) that both PCM and DSD can be natively streamed, without the need for DoP (DSD over PCM process, which for some odd paths requires wav or FLAC containerizing), so when using Minimserver one needs not do the Dopwav commands if your renderer formerly needed that; 2) it is an unencumbered signal path directly to the Xilinx FPGA Spartan 6. To this day I don't know what jitter sounds like, but as of that special night and going forward, I now think I know what no-jitter sounds like.

     

    nmd.jpgWhether it was demo tracks or any of my other regular rotation, this new combination threw a most musical, accurate (yes, those are not opposites) and detailed soundstage in front of me. On New Moon Daughter (Blue Note, 24/192) Cassandra Wilson's opening "Strange Fruit", a Billie Holiday classic, had all the wetness and organic vibe I'd ever heard from this tracks, with the cornet solo at the beginning occupying a perfect space at the rear of the left center soundstage. The decays sounded as natural as can be (dunno, I wasn't there when recorded). On Keith Richard's under-appreciated solo album Main Offender (Virgin, redbook) the capture of the amp buzz of those sessions is incredibly well done, and on the right systems the album sounds live and dynamic as heck. Yep, here too, in spades. On "Will But You Won't" you can actually here when the second guitar mic feed opens up, prior to first rip. Very wild indeed.

     

    Those two examples represent PCM playback with a machine that eventually treats everything as DSD128. What about, say, DSD and DSD128 (neither of which get a free pass...they are both upsampled to deep space). Well, on Us (Geffen, DSD) Peter Gabriel's 6th studio album, the SACD mastering is a huge step forward and is one of my favorite test albums for pop/rock DSD playback. The DS did not disappoint; "Only Us"/"Washing of The Water" combination is a nice test for leading edge, percussive tonality and noise floor. Let me start with noise floor. Whether it is I2S or what, the DS portrays a noise floor of cavernous proportions, a trait that seems to be the most influential on adjectives like clarity, micro-detail, air and even dynamics (since you can now hear the quietest of the musical nuances). I sat there for 58 minutes (the length of the album) and almost gawked at the energy and mix of colors and tones I was hearing. Oh, and as a dyed-in-the-wool computer audiophile I almost NEVER listen to a full album anymore...which is a confession I am not always proud of. Well, when listener fatigue becomes non-existent (and I don't need to work the next morning) this setup tempts me to listen all the way through.

     

    ericbibb.jpgOther DSD recordings, including my favorite Mari Kodama Beethoven Piano sonatas collection (Pentatone, DSD) played back with energy, sizzle (when appropriate) and a very 3D soundstage. Was this the best DSD I'd ever heard? Maybe not (dynamics and air are 95% of the best DSD I've heard), but as a dual format DAC (PCM and DSD) it leads the pack, and at the end of the day, I am not thinking about other DACs (ok, that sounds too creepy I guess, sorry). When given DSD128, like the wonderful Eric Bibb download compilation of analog-to-DSD tape transfers, A Selection of Analogue (Opus 3, DSD128) his slightly gravely-but-soft voice comes through in great detail, without sacrificing tone and, well, analog(ue) naturalness. Whether it's the pedal organ and the Deacon choir on "Where the Green Grass Grows" or the steel guitar solos throughout, the relaxed feeling of Eric Bibb music is conveyed nicely, thank you.

     

    This DAC is a difficult one to categorize. It is hyper-DSD internally, yet plays back PCM even better than it does DSD. It is supposed to be input-agnostic, yet I2S is easily the best input for me, followed by USB and then all the others relatively equally. By the way, it joins other open system DACs as being UAC2 compatible, meaning that no drivers are required for MAC or Linux (read: streamer) handshaking. That is a nice feature and shouldn't go un-noticed.

     

    So...what does one do if he/she has no I2S connection (all my listening feedback here was via I2S)? I tried going back and listening to the other inputs (especially my highest quality USB, as noted above) , and although this evolution (damn it) has seemed to continue to open them up a bit (especially USB via the JCAT card and either JCAT cable or TotalDAC D1 cable), there is no turning back for me. As a dual format USB DAC it is very good and recommended on all $5K+ budget's short list. As an I2S DAC I can't think of why this wouldn't be your first choice. And as a Signature Rendu owner, sell your blood, sell something quickly and go buy this DAC (and yes, give it 800 hours or more, although I don't know how good it would sound cold....maybe not bad at all!!!). :)

     

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    Ted Brady

     

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    P.S. I welcome Ted Smith to please tell us why this last chapter (or more appropriately the first several bad ones) of listening happened, and why I am getting such different sonic experiences with different inputs.

     

     

     

     

    Manufacturer's comment:

     

    Thank you for your thorough and detailed appraisal. It's been a long journey to

    bring Ted Smith's*design into production, from the first time Gus Skinas played Ted's

    hand-built proof-of-concept*for us, until now.

     

    Starting with*Ted's brilliant vision and code, our Director of Engineering, Dave Paananen,

    our Chief Engineer, Bob Stadtherr*and their whole crew of designers and technicians have put in

    thousands of hours to bring DirectStream to market.

     

    The response to all the hard work has been gratifying; DirectStream has been well-received

    all over the world. Perhaps the most exciting part of DirectStream's design is that, thanks to its

    ability to be updated with new firmware, the best is yet to come!

     

    Paul McGowan, founder and CEO, PS Audio

     

     

     

     

     

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    • Product - PS Audio DirectStream DAC
    • Price - $5,999
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    Al, as I've already posted the USB via my dual pc AO'd setup is very very good, but not the Sig Rendu at I2S for me. Your preference for USB is yours. Also, I thought I made it very clear that I feel that the DS does PCM slightly better than it does DSD. I said it here:

    "This DAC is a difficult one to categorize. It is hyper-DSD internally, yet plays back PCM even better than it does DSD."

     

    As far as Hugo being a gimmick device, I gotta stop you there. Seriously? I think the Hugo is one of three or four reference-level DACs I've experienced in the past several years, and deserves a place at anyone's home rig (connector hurdles notwithstanding). Is the DS better? Yeah, but not necessarily through all sources, and not anywhere near available at $2300.

     

     

    Not sure what is best but going by price I would think my umt plus and it's own signature psu would be just as good as the antipod or sonor.

    Any way my point is. The server I use as a reference is as good as it and in some ways better as I can tailor through digital filters the sound signature .

    A xion and three dc power supplies were needed to accomplish this task. It allows me to hear chaniges In the digital chain easily.

    Not saying your view is wrong or stereo guys either but there comes a point when there is no absolute and just specs do not cut it. And having a transparent chain matter more as this is what we hear .

     

    With out getting into complex arguments about inputs. My findings with hdmi were limited to two sources one being the very inferior PWT. And the second the off ramp 5 with it's own psu and all,options. The off ramp ruined the sound of the DS but this setup was a must for the pwd mk2. Even the ap1/pp was not good with the ds . And both the Hugo and DS were not helped with the converters. How ever the servers I have built make very large improvmenus improvements . Along the lines of the umt plus. As this was used to evail my stuff before I built the servers.

    Now I am not claiming what you hear is wrong and I know better that's a fools errand but I aM claiming there is no be all in this hobby . Ted we both know this and I have learned much from you and others I have a high regard for.

    Tes smith is another man I have a high regard for and as I feel neither the Hugo or DS does DSd well the DS clearly is above the Hugo by a margin . Glad I am not saying this on headfi lmao. The thread would be locked .

    I Hope I have made my points.

    Al

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    So basically with just USB the DAC is actually bad?

     

    In my experience. Remember, Ted's is just one context here. I have a DS in my rig for testing right now, I am listening via USB from my custom Sonore server (LiFePO4 battery powered, with a separately filtered and regulated supply feeding a SOtM USB output card), through a Nordost Blue Heaven USB cable. In my system the DS sounds great via USB. As with any DAC, paying attention to the source quality, be it USB, or something else, will pay dividends.

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    I might mention that as good as the UPnP/Wavestream route sounds here with the DS/Bridge, there are some annoyances using it as part of a single (desktop) computer audio system (Win 8.1):

     

    - music files cut out in foobar - can't tell if it's hiccups in the ISP modem or router line, interaction with computer operations or something about specific files

    - audio lag of about 4300 ms - can handle it with foobar and adjust settings with players like VLC, but can't with web video (lag can be a lot longer there)

    - can't play two streams (foobar/web) at once temporarily, as I can with USB - the first cuts out and the second either plays or puts out very loud static

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    Barrows, yes the USB sounds great in my DS too. It comes from a dual pc setup, with linear power to both pc's, battery powered SSD's and a separate linear powered JCAT USB card (card has dual outputs, one I have config'd as filtered and one I have config'd as unfiltered). I use either the JCAT USB cable or the TotalDAC D1 USB cable, depending on mood and such. The D1 uses its own tethered filter so hence the dual config.

     

    After all that work in putting a very tweeked dual pc setup together I still say that the Signature Rendu via an older but nice Nordost Silver Screen HDMI (I2S) is a couple percent blacker and better soundstage solidity and image density. YMMV.

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    Barrows, yes the USB sounds great in my DS too. It comes from a dual pc setup, with linear power to both pc's, battery powered SSD's and a separate linear powered JCAT USB card (card has dual outputs, one I have config'd as filtered and one I have config'd as unfiltered). I use either the JCAT USB cable or the TotalDAC D1 USB cable, depending on mood and such. The D1 uses its own tethered filter so hence the dual config.

     

    After all that work in putting a very tweeked dual pc setup together I still say that the Signature Rendu via an older but nice Nordost Silver Screen HDMI (I2S) is a couple percent blacker and better soundstage solidity and image density. YMMV.

     

    Hey Ted, I have not listened here with Signature Rendu yet, BTW, I have the same, older, Nordost HDMI cable I see in your pics, that thing is a stiff beast! I really would like to try the newer Nordost USB cable, most people seem to find that I2S is fairly cable sensitive, it does make sense as the signal is real time, and waveform fidelity (bandwidth/sheilding) will matter. Anyway, our servers are very different as well, so may sound different, although both are fairly tricked out for low noise on the USB output...

    It will be interesting to try the Signature Rendu for me via I2S in my system.

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    Not sure what is best but going by price I would think my umt plus and it's own signature psu would be just as good as the antipod or sonor.

    Any way my point is. The server I use as a reference is as good as it and in some ways better as I can tailor through digital filters the sound signature .

    A xion and three dc power supplies were needed to accomplish this task. It allows me to hear chaniges In the digital chain easily.

    Not saying your view is wrong or stereo guys either but there comes a point when there is no absolute and just specs do not cut it. And having a transparent chain matter more as this is what we hear .

     

    With out getting into complex arguments about inputs. My findings with hdmi were limited to two sources one being the very inferior PWT. And the second the off ramp 5 with it's own psu and all,options. The off ramp ruined the sound of the DS but this setup was a must for the pwd mk2. Even the ap1/pp was not good with the ds . And both the Hugo and DS were not helped with the converters. How ever the servers I have built make very large improvmenus improvements . Along the lines of the umt plus. As this was used to evail my stuff before I built the servers.

    Now I am not claiming what you hear is wrong and I know better that's a fools errand but I aM claiming there is no be all in this hobby . Ted we both know this and I have learned much from you and others I have a high regard for.

    Tes smith is another man I have a high regard for and as I feel neither the Hugo or DS does DSd well the DS clearly is above the Hugo by a margin . Glad I am not saying this on headfi lmao. The thread would be locked .

    I Hope I have made my points.

    Al

     

    Well has anyone heard the hugo with the Toslink connection. Rob from chord says that is the best connection for Hugo with the right tosklink source. I have a PS transport connected to hugo compared to DS. Yes the DS is more musical but by a small margin when using the right hugo connection (Toslink). The difference is about $1000 in sound quality from hugo to DS and not $3500. I can get much better sound with hugo and extra $3500 to spend on upgrading other components.

    on not to mentioned i used the ps Hdmi $800 cable for DS versus the free 1/2 feet toslink cable i used for hugo

     

    now if i could find a DS for $3500 i would definitely buy it.

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    I own a Hugo and have done as rob asked. The difference from my umt plus as a server over optical is marginal over usb not sure what is better. Over all the DS is thicker and more musical. The hugo remains a nice mobile device at best. The DS is below others I have but a true home setup device. The hugo is thin and Brite and further it seems to be voiced Ina high pitch meaning instruments just sound wrong at times. Where the DS and just about any other dac I have sound normal. Now this gets flamed on me but its waht I hear. Maybe some need better stuff to allow for better understanding of what better is.

    The DS is a bit warm but songs the pwdmkii. So I guess it's there voicing. For me I like neutral. But the DS has much more meat and details a hard combo to keep. Where the hugo seems detailed but it's just Brite not giving me the musical sound I want.

    Again neither dies dsd well something else others will say in wrong. In the end I have my views as we all have

    al

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    Ted Smith is another man I have a high regard for and as I feel neither the Hugo or DS does DSD well the DS clearly is above the Hugo by a margin.

    Al

     

    I'd agree. The DirectStream bests the Hugo on DSD sources from the times I've heard the two in action at the audio shows.

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    Its been a while since I used the or5. But I thought it played DSd over dop to the DS ? Maybe it's my mistake but I thought it did. I would test it but I loned it to friend.

    Lastly for me the OR5 did not help but hurt the sound for me. The same was with my ap1se/pp. as it does do DSd. It took the luster off the top of the sound. A bummer for me.

    This is what prompted me to build some servers. For me computer audio is not just about the music or cables. It's more about the computer As a server . it's paramount. I own a MyTek dac and I actually hate the sound of it especially in pcm. But with the server it's sound is very nice. To me it's a shame so many dac makers build very good products but give little support as to what should be used with it. Unless you go to ultra hhiend stuff.

    I tip my hat to ps audio for developing the PWT to be used with there dacs.

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    I'd agree. The DirectStream bests the Hugo on DSD sources from the times I've heard the two in action at the audio shows.

    I think we are all on same page that DS is better. There will always be something better...my big vinyl rig with single side 45 clear classic records will trump all digital. But the question is how much of a difference is the DS versus hugo. I guess it depends a lot on the system and preference. I will say the dS is very musical for a digital player.

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    I will say the dS is very musical for a digital player.

     

    If you're looking for a musical digital player, don't forget the Lampizators! :)

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    I think we are all on same page that DS is better. There will always be something better...my big vinyl rig with single side 45 clear classic records will trump all digital. But the question is how much of a difference is the DS versus hugo. I guess it depends a lot on the system and preference. I will say the dS is very musical for a digital player.

     

    NO, he is specifically about DSD here. Hugo converts DSD to 90mhz PCM and then converst to analog, so it does not process DSD natively and AL is contending that gives a worse outcome than DSD on the DStream. DStream with DSD also gets bested by more native "light" DSD processing.

     

    Hugo vs DS on PCM is another discussion.

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    If you're looking for a musical digital player, don't forget the Lampizators! :)

    IMO, Ted's prototype of the DS have a better SAF than the market ready Lampizator versions;)

    There is a reason why great efforts were made to get the DS into the PerfectWave chassis' footprint.

    They probable sound great, but looks like DIY units. However, I am not saying that good old fashion craftmanship is a bad thing. It might be that the units are more reliable than their visual appearance indicates.

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    Audio is about sound. I Personnel do not care if it's a cardboard box. As the DS looks great it's sound is pretty good where as a lampi now looks pretty good but it's sound is way above the DS or hugo. But again this my preference . If a system is hyper detailed and transparent it allows for much of difference between them all. Headphones allow for this.

    The vairous pros and cons of the group mentiond here are clearly displayed to my brain in such a setup. After all the hype that Norman had been reading the look on his face was priceless. Of course the biggest change or down grade was with DSd. I know I annoy some in saying but it's just so true. A 500 ifi DSd does better DSd . Then most being talked about. But the lampi is real DSd for sure. Something that rob watts does not be leave in anyway. With the new dsd firmware the DSd for the first time is there . Not great but present. The how and why is not for me it's just the end result I care for. But how anyone feels the hugo is like a DS is just remarkable to me. The difference between them is pretty vast. But hey just because I own them does not mean I am right .

    But it does make me a bit of a skeptic to others.

    Al

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    Ted,

     

    I-squared-S is a native connection; by that I mean two things: 1) that both PCM and DSD can be natively streamed, without the need for DoP (DSD over PCM process, which for some odd paths requires wav or FLAC containerizing), so when using Minimserver one needs not do the Dopwav commands if your renderer formerly needed that; 2) it is an unencumbered signal path directly to the Xilinx FPGA Spartan 6. To this day I don't know what jitter sounds like, but as of that special night and going forward, I now think I know what no-jitter sounds like.

     

    First I2S is not a native connection. It was never intended to go outside of any devices. It also is best to keep the distance from point A-B to be as small as possible.

     

    But here is the big problem with this statement. DSD does NOT work over I2S, it works over DSD which is very different interface. DSD has a DATA-L and a DATA-R and a bit clock. I2S on the other hand multiplexes the L/R data onto one pin and has a Word Clock which differentiates the two from each other as well as a bit clock.

     

    Therefore the I2S feed is going through DoP no matter which interface you choose here. Also since the DAC is upsampling, converting whatever, the input jitter is going to have little to no effect on the overall sound. The fixed master clock is going to have the most impact and that is going to be the same no matter what.

     

    I think the big problem with reviews of digital equipment is that everything associated with sound is lumped into "jitter". The reason for differing sound in interface types and more goes much further than just jitter. Same reason different applications sound different, even though the bit stream is 100% the same.

     

    Thanks,

    Gordon

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    Gordon, I'd say thanks for the clarification but I know nothing about I2S so I sent the rough draft to Paul, Ted and company, to fact check. No changes to my words/description about I2S or Ted's oversampling into deep space. I did originally state that the top of the case was Lexan; correct to mdf. Complain to them, not me, the author of "the big problem with reviews". I started the review off with my technical caveat (I am not technical; I rely on others). I know that is not an excuse to misinform, hence my reason to send in to the manufacturer for fact checking.

     

    I simply said what I heard, and as I said, what I heard "sounded to me" like no jitter. It was said somewhat tongue-in-cheek, for as I said the sentence before that, I don't know what jitter really sounds like. It was a word picture, and the only time I really referenced the J word (other than using Jesus's description of his I2S output). Net/net, I take a little offense that you are saying i lumped all my sound explanations into "jitter".

     

    BTW, I used the term "native" simply to describe (later) that the Rendu I2S supports raw (what some call native) DSD output, not just DoP. Ted Smith supports that statement in many posts, and then we later discussed, here on this thread, that the DS finally converts to DoP anyway (which, when I found that out wondered why PS Audio is producing a raw DSD USB driver for distribution). I should have been more specific about what I meant by native. Whatever it is doing, it is, at the end of the path, a better sounding connection than I've heard. I have purposefully not spent a lot of time schilling the Signature Rendu and its quality parts for two reasons: 1) Chris has a full review coming; and 2) this review was about the PS Audio DS.... but maybe I should have. Something is going on here that is very good.

     

    Summary, I am reporting what I hear (like varying sq from different inputs, taking cables somewhat out of the equation cuz I use them on all DACs and their varying interfaces, and often don't find these sq differences so evident), and your inference that what I hear is wrong, is ok....it's your quite-educated but nonetheless biased opinion. And I need to remind newer folks that you make and sell a competing set of products. It's not a mistrust comment, just a fact.

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    Ted I hear you and agree with your comments. When I bought the off ramp 5 and used it with the pwdmkii and other dacs. I said it sounded much cleaner in sound. As I know less than you I do know well what I like. So better is a personnel choice to a point and beyond that it's a fact. But again it's ours. And may not be everyone's. I like cris products very much and went to servers just before really reading more about his stuff.

    I also do think Ted smith to be a very honest sol. Like you maybe it's the name lol.

    But he does have a unique view as designer. When I tried my off ramp and it ruined the sound I asked you , him and a few others. The truth is only you gave me an answer that made any sense. As such I do not use it. But some may find what it dies is a benefit.

    For me it did darken the back ground but it also took off the luster at the top. Maybe that luster should not be there but I like it so I keep it.

     

    al

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    But here is the big problem with this statement. DSD does NOT work over I2S, it works over DSD which is very different interface. DSD has a DATA-L and a DATA-R and a bit clock. I2S on the other hand multiplexes the L/R data onto one pin and has a Word Clock which differentiates the two from each other as well as a bit clock.

     

    Therefore the I2S feed is going through DoP no matter which interface you choose here. Also since the DAC is upsampling, converting whatever, the input jitter is going to have little to no effect on the overall sound. The fixed master clock is going to have the most impact and that is going to be the same no matter what.

    Before the DirectStream the "HDMI/I2S" connectors were used exclusively for I2S on PS Audio products and hence most PS Audio customers think of it as the "I2S" connector. In addition to accepting PCM (and hence DoP) via I2S, the DS also supports raw DSD (Clock, Left Data and Right Data) over the same connection - there's no ambiguity between them.

     

    After raw (or native) DSD is received over the I2S (HDMI) connector the DS does convert it to DoP just to take advantage of the already existent DoP path/processing.

     

    FWIW Tho in the end the master clock (tho not fixed) is indeed a bigger contributor to output jitter than is input jitter, the key point re input jitter rejection is that there are no PLLs, FLLs, clock recovery etc. that are used to interpret any digital input data - input digital data is recognized via pattern recognition not via processing at clock edges (whether explicit or recovered.)

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    The reason for differing sound in interface types and more goes much further than just jitter. Same reason different applications sound different, even though the bit stream is 100% the same.

     

    Thanks,

    Gordon

     

    Would love to read in another thread (or at any links you might care to pass along) more about why different applications (and interface types, for that matter) sound different.

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    I simply said what I heard, and as I said, what I heard "sounded to me" like no jitter. It was said somewhat tongue-in-cheek, for as I said the sentence before that, I don't know what jitter really sounds like.

    According to my understanding you don't hear jitter directly but rather the consequence of jitter which manifests itself through an analog unharmonic distortion in the frequency domain.

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    Before the DirectStream the "HDMI/I2S" connectors were used exclusively for I2S on PS Audio products and hence most PS Audio customers think of it as the "I2S" connector. In addition to accepting PCM (and hence DoP) via I2S, the DS also supports raw DSD (Clock, Left Data and Right Data) over the same connection - there's no ambiguity between them.

     

    After raw (or native) DSD is received over the I2S (HDMI) connector the DS does convert it to DoP just to take advantage of the already existent DoP path/processing.

     

    FWIW Tho in the end the master clock (tho not fixed) is indeed a bigger contributor to output jitter than is input jitter, the key point re input jitter rejection is that there are no PLLs, FLLs, clock recovery etc. that are used to interpret any digital input data - input digital data is recognized via pattern recognition not via processing at clock edges (whether explicit or recovered.)

     

    Ted,

     

    Thanks for clarification, sometimes I write to engineers and not to humans :)

     

    Gordon

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    Would love to read in another thread (or at any links you might care to pass along) more about why different applications (and interface types, for that matter) sound different.

     

    Jud,

     

    I have talked about this at length on forums and really there needs to be more justification for the findings. In most cases applications that are more clean and take less CPU usage seem to sound better than those who don't. Also programs that take advantage of more memory without crippling the OS seem to sound better. I have the following setup now that I am using to get more information about this sort of differential:

     

    MacBook Pro (multi boot OSX/Windows/Linux): USB Analyzer->USB Cable->TEK USB Compliance tester differential probe + I2S decoder->DAC or USB to SPDIF converter-> Prism dScope III

     

    I am able to see complete data path before during and after the setup as well as compare the I2S & SPDIF to the source for various applications, cables, do compliance testing etc...

     

    Problem is this takes a ton of time.

     

    Thanks,

    G.

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    Ted-S, thanks for the support on that. I didn't think I was going insane (at least not for that reason).

     

    Gordon, from one human to another (non) apology accepted.

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    Hi Ted_b, Did you get to compare Rendu Signature spdif quality against I2S? How does your dual pc USB out sound quality is compare to Rendu Signature spdif. I understand this is an 'apples to oranges' comparison given the different interface.

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    Jud,

     

    I have talked about this at length on forums and really there needs to be more justification for the findings. In most cases applications that are more clean and take less CPU usage seem to sound better than those who don't. Also programs that take advantage of more memory without crippling the OS seem to sound better. I have the following setup now that I am using to get more information about this sort of differential:

     

    MacBook Pro (multi boot OSX/Windows/Linux): USB Analyzer->USB Cable->TEK USB Compliance tester differential probe + I2S decoder->DAC or USB to SPDIF converter-> Prism dScope III

     

    I am able to see complete data path before during and after the setup as well as compare the I2S & SPDIF to the source for various applications, cables, do compliance testing etc...

     

    Problem is this takes a ton of time.

     

    Thanks,

    G.

    Not sure why but according to audio phil some of what you saunas just wrong. According to phil you want a fast prosessor also you want the min memory I use. Also he states that using the cup alone is the intended goal. I think Ted B can confirm this but sits fine if he stays quit he has fought enough already in this thread.

    Now here's a question no one has asked. It's agred upon that jitter effects the sound

    but there is many kinds. As noise on the line wontons oral is one that is fixed in the dac input. And thus noise is not alone every action from hard drive to cpu also makes noise

    and is this type noise eliminated or lowered by teds scheme. Lastly as the DS is superior in timing how or waht does it do with rinsing errors from the source itself. Meaning from the sever. I have heard many times a server sound fine until the music gets complex and then it changed things if it what does it do to fix this

    al

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