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    PS Audio DirectStream DAC, a chameleon in the high foothills, by Ted Brady

     

    This has been the hardest review to write, for many reasons, not the least of which is that this DAC took me on a journey that seemed, at times, like a wild goose chase. But here we are, and if you, the reader, are like so many others, you'll go the end and find that this goose chase resulted in quite the golden goose. :)

     

    By now most of you know that this DAC is the brainchild of one Ted Smith, a longtime developer/designer/wunderkind who had been dabbling in this DAC design for over 10 years. Two major problems existed during that time: first, the technology didn't exist to do what he wanted; and second, he was but one guy in a lab, with no real ability to produce and distribute a DAC of this sort. The first problem was slowly solved by time....ingredients like the Xilinx Spartan 6 FPGA became available. The second problem was solved by one Paul McGowan of PS Audio fame. He offered Ted his help, and the result is the PS Audio DirectStream DAC, a major change in PS Audio's heretofore standard-chip PCM DAC evolution.

     

    This unit has been reviewed by others, and I invite you to visit those reviews for a more in-depth technical discussion of what this thing is made up of, including dimensions, shipping weight and pictures of its innards. I am not the most technical and will gladly leave that up to the major publications. What I can bring to the reader is another audio lover's perspective of having listened to dozens and dozens of DACs over the past several years, albeit with my own personal listening biases (my system is included in my signature link, although this session includes my recently acquired Aerial Acoustics 20T speakers).

     

    I first became excited to hear this DAC when, during a getaway to the Boulder, CO area with my wife, I was able to visit and chat with Paul at the PS Audio headquarters (thanks to friend and master cable maker Greg Graff of MG Audio Design for setting up the meeting and being our chauffeur). Paul took me on a tour of the facility, and it was clearly evident that this company knew what it was doing; it knew its strengths and had a long history of customer support and satisfaction. However, this DAC was new to all of them and was a "stretch" for PS Audio (my opinion, not theirs necessarily); they had never done a DSD product, and to my knowledge the DS was going to be their most expensive product to date, too. Paul was ready to go, though, and it was evident he was appreciative to have Ted Smith on this team.

     

    As a DAC designer Ted was presented with the typical choices of off-the-shelf DAC chips, all of which are very capable at ultimately delivering toe-tapping musical output, given a white glove treatment after the chip output (very high quality analog stage of either solid state or tubed design, quiet powerful ac supplies, etc). Some chips, like the ubiquitous ESS Sabre 9018, have incredible sample rate choices, but trade those choices for the need to harness that power downstream lest one create what the audio lover has come to know as Sabre-allergy, the well-known easily-identifiable sound of a razor-sharp leading edge that can ruin the illusion of real musicians playing to one's whim. Folks like George Klissarov (exaSound) and Xuanqian Wang (Auralic) have figured out how to tame that beast better than others, and the results speak for themselves.

     

    Ted, on the other hand, had a design idea that no off-the-shelf chip could handle. He was battling his love of DSD (and its inherent noise shaping baggage) with the very different, but noisy nonetheless, PCM brick wall filters. What if he could take either format and send it into deep space (oversampling to, say, 30Mhz, and 30 bits, where the many-multiples of all known PCM and DSD noise filters all come together), send the noise into the ether, then return to a high earth orbit of 5.6Mhz. At that height there is still very little noise to interfere, and then "simply" send to an industry-proven set of PS Audio power supplies and analog parts? Would it sound better?

     

    Enter the field programmable gate array (aka FPGA, my audio acronym of the year). It is a sort of tabula rasa for DAC chips, a hardware/software platform chip that allows for almost infinite "roll your own" chip design. The code can be tens of thousands of lines, but the good news/bad news is that once a DAC manufacturer enters this hallowed world, it becomes a software company. Why is that good news? Because the consumer then buys into a product idea that has potential for significant improvement and change through downloadable firmware and software updates All audio equipment these days includes software, so why not invest in one where the code is owned and maintained by the equipment manufacturer, allowing for an evolving set of fixes, improvements and feature enhancements (within reason and scope). Companies like PS Audio, Chord and others are perfectly positioned for this new approach, as they have mature organizations and knowledge bases that can deliver updates and fixes in a reasonable process. Oh, the bad news? Not all audio companies can take this on, and not all audio units are designed for upgradeability. More to the point, this unit has already had two large FPGA and driver updates, and the resultant sound was improved both times.

     

    DSC_0039-200px.JPGThe PS Audio DirectStream DAC will accept PCM and DSD music up to 24/352.8K PCM (aka DXD) and DSD128 (aka 2X DSD) and will accept it in a plethora of digital inputs; the back panel includes RCA S/PDIF, toslink (limited to 96k), USB, AES/EBU and the house favorite for PS Audio users, the somewhat proprietary (oxymoron I know) I2S input, housed via a pin-compatible HDMI connection. Each of these inputs eventually meet at an internal I2S connection, and then to the FPGA. There is also a smart card input for the aforementioned code updates (FPGA code, USB driver, etc). There is an ethernet connector for their own networked Bridge product, as well.

     

     

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    DSC_00399-200px.jpgOn the front panel the DS has a nice touch screen (an evolution from the look and feel of their earlier PerfectWave DAC units) which handles, along with the included remote, input selection, high/low gain selection, volume control (for direct to amp capability), balance, and software information (versions, etc), along with a running display of format and sample rate of the incoming signal. Note: I am not a huge fan of touch screens, given that my DAC is usually not within touch distance, nor can I read the screen from my listening position, but that's purely my own pet peeve (and poor eyesight). The screen display can be turned off remotely, and given PS Audio's long experience with them, they are likely not a huge cost issue nor repair issue. And it's a nice demo feature, too. :)

     

    The DAC's chassis is a beautifully done silver or black copy of their own transport (the Perfect Wave Transport) and includes a hand polished top cover of black-lacquered automotive-finished lexan-looking MDF. Very nice. As it should be for $6000 ($4000 for PS audio owners who are in the Company's long-standing upgrade program, as they turn in their former PWD DACs for upgrade; a nice feature given the poor resale value of ever-evolving digital gear on the audio classified sections).

     

    I was told (but forget by whom) that the DS would require significant break-in. Ted was not as adamant, but gave me a few hints on trying to accelerate that process (running on low gain will run more current through the transformer, etc). I have another good news/bad news item. The good news is that there seems to be nothing in this DAC that gets hot. The bad news, heat helps break in (eventually spoiling it, however) so my patience began to wear thin at about 800 hours. Why? Why not just listen and enjoy? Well, therein lies the theme of my first several months with the DirectStream.

     

    I tried every known input source I had on hand (pc running JRiver/Jplay using high-end USB card and power conditioning, Auralic Aries renderer via USB/toslink/spdif/AES, Aurender Linux server running USB, yada yada). What evolved (there's that word again) after the 800 hours was akin to the most amazing new 4K video display you've ever seen, with details that boggled the mind, yet never looked artificial nor over-enhanced. Subtle details and image densities that I'd never heard before, on recordings that I was so familiar with that when I heard an even 30 db down nuance new to me I would jump out of my chair. I am a music lover, but sometimes this demo-quality playlist stuff can drive one insane. Why did I not want to venture on to my real fave selections? Getting back to the CES demo of that incredible 4K display.....lo and behold they had somehow turned the color and hue knobs all the way down. ? Ansel Adams in black and white is nice; Stardust Memories in black and white is still funny (but not as funny as his earlier stuff); but....my favorite music in black and white? I was bored. I tried everything. I put the DS on the shelf for a few weeks and then went back to it. I would try the bloomiest of music, or tube roll my preamp to the bloomiest/timbre-soaked tubes of Mullard variety, still no relief, only a black and white depiction with newly introduced veils. Argh!

     

    I was stumped and ready to write a review that this DAC is the perfect fit, perfect antidote, for those systems that are overly colored, overly warm. Yes, a poorly hidden left-handed compliment. Not usable in my system, but maybe if you have one that already has plenty of color and tonality? (That is not to say my system is overly analytical, and therefore I felt bad that this review would be seen for what it was...throwing a bone to an otherwise good Company and good folks.)

     

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    A few weeks ago I got a call from a good audio buddy, Jesus R of Sonore fame. He wanted me to hear his flagship UPnP renderer, the Sonore Signature Rendu. It is an ethernet to SPDIF (or I2S-HDMI) converter/renderer. Sure, why not. A couple weeks ago it arrived and I hooked it up via BNC/SPDIF to my Chird Hugo. Hmmm...very nice indeed. (Note: Chris's review of said Signature Rendu is due out presently). The DirectStream, gathering a little dust while I decided how to write the review, was calling out to me "play me, play me".

     

    Jesus is very proud of the work that went into the Signature Rendu, especially the very low jitter, very high quality I2S output (compatible with several pin-compliant I2S HDMI inputs on several different DACS, including the DirectStream.) As luck and irony would have it, the Rendu setup required me dusting off an old PS Audio P300 ac-generator to block some house-bound dc that caused the Rendu to drop off the LAN periodically (a fix that is coming soon, according to Jesus). After confirming that a P300-powered Sig Rendu was now rock solidly connected, I found a nice Nordost HDMI cable and entered the world of I2S (I can't tell you how many sources, format converters or DACs I've had in here that taunted me with this connection, but this was the first time I had input and output together in one room).

     

    This began one Monday evening at 8pm. My first taste of this combination lasted, without wine-induced bathroom break or any other silly distraction, until about 3am in the morning. It was an audiophile's best dream, an audio lover's best attempt of heaven on earth, a contender for one of two or three best audio listening sessions of my life. Due to my well-heeled assumptions, I went from WTF to laughter (yes, I think I physically laughed out loud a few times; thank god no one heard me; they were all asleep) then back to WTF several times. The display analogy: not only had they turned the color and hue controls back on, the display became 3D (without glasses, thank you) and had the blackest blacks I'd ever seen. Again, sorry, but WTF! Why, with this input (Ted promised me all inputs were identical) would the DirectStream now explode into colors, tones, rhythms, clarity, absurdly accurate image density, and overall musicality that I've maybe never heard before. Why? Yes, the Signature Rendu is a clearly a special piece, but it needs a partner, and the DirectStream danced with it like they have been secretly practicing every dance style for 30 years.

     

    I-squared-S is a native connection; by that I mean two things: 1) that both PCM and DSD can be natively streamed, without the need for DoP (DSD over PCM process, which for some odd paths requires wav or FLAC containerizing), so when using Minimserver one needs not do the Dopwav commands if your renderer formerly needed that; 2) it is an unencumbered signal path directly to the Xilinx FPGA Spartan 6. To this day I don't know what jitter sounds like, but as of that special night and going forward, I now think I know what no-jitter sounds like.

     

    nmd.jpgWhether it was demo tracks or any of my other regular rotation, this new combination threw a most musical, accurate (yes, those are not opposites) and detailed soundstage in front of me. On New Moon Daughter (Blue Note, 24/192) Cassandra Wilson's opening "Strange Fruit", a Billie Holiday classic, had all the wetness and organic vibe I'd ever heard from this tracks, with the cornet solo at the beginning occupying a perfect space at the rear of the left center soundstage. The decays sounded as natural as can be (dunno, I wasn't there when recorded). On Keith Richard's under-appreciated solo album Main Offender (Virgin, redbook) the capture of the amp buzz of those sessions is incredibly well done, and on the right systems the album sounds live and dynamic as heck. Yep, here too, in spades. On "Will But You Won't" you can actually here when the second guitar mic feed opens up, prior to first rip. Very wild indeed.

     

    Those two examples represent PCM playback with a machine that eventually treats everything as DSD128. What about, say, DSD and DSD128 (neither of which get a free pass...they are both upsampled to deep space). Well, on Us (Geffen, DSD) Peter Gabriel's 6th studio album, the SACD mastering is a huge step forward and is one of my favorite test albums for pop/rock DSD playback. The DS did not disappoint; "Only Us"/"Washing of The Water" combination is a nice test for leading edge, percussive tonality and noise floor. Let me start with noise floor. Whether it is I2S or what, the DS portrays a noise floor of cavernous proportions, a trait that seems to be the most influential on adjectives like clarity, micro-detail, air and even dynamics (since you can now hear the quietest of the musical nuances). I sat there for 58 minutes (the length of the album) and almost gawked at the energy and mix of colors and tones I was hearing. Oh, and as a dyed-in-the-wool computer audiophile I almost NEVER listen to a full album anymore...which is a confession I am not always proud of. Well, when listener fatigue becomes non-existent (and I don't need to work the next morning) this setup tempts me to listen all the way through.

     

    ericbibb.jpgOther DSD recordings, including my favorite Mari Kodama Beethoven Piano sonatas collection (Pentatone, DSD) played back with energy, sizzle (when appropriate) and a very 3D soundstage. Was this the best DSD I'd ever heard? Maybe not (dynamics and air are 95% of the best DSD I've heard), but as a dual format DAC (PCM and DSD) it leads the pack, and at the end of the day, I am not thinking about other DACs (ok, that sounds too creepy I guess, sorry). When given DSD128, like the wonderful Eric Bibb download compilation of analog-to-DSD tape transfers, A Selection of Analogue (Opus 3, DSD128) his slightly gravely-but-soft voice comes through in great detail, without sacrificing tone and, well, analog(ue) naturalness. Whether it's the pedal organ and the Deacon choir on "Where the Green Grass Grows" or the steel guitar solos throughout, the relaxed feeling of Eric Bibb music is conveyed nicely, thank you.

     

    This DAC is a difficult one to categorize. It is hyper-DSD internally, yet plays back PCM even better than it does DSD. It is supposed to be input-agnostic, yet I2S is easily the best input for me, followed by USB and then all the others relatively equally. By the way, it joins other open system DACs as being UAC2 compatible, meaning that no drivers are required for MAC or Linux (read: streamer) handshaking. That is a nice feature and shouldn't go un-noticed.

     

    So...what does one do if he/she has no I2S connection (all my listening feedback here was via I2S)? I tried going back and listening to the other inputs (especially my highest quality USB, as noted above) , and although this evolution (damn it) has seemed to continue to open them up a bit (especially USB via the JCAT card and either JCAT cable or TotalDAC D1 cable), there is no turning back for me. As a dual format USB DAC it is very good and recommended on all $5K+ budget's short list. As an I2S DAC I can't think of why this wouldn't be your first choice. And as a Signature Rendu owner, sell your blood, sell something quickly and go buy this DAC (and yes, give it 800 hours or more, although I don't know how good it would sound cold....maybe not bad at all!!!). :)

     

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    Ted Brady

     

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    P.S. I welcome Ted Smith to please tell us why this last chapter (or more appropriately the first several bad ones) of listening happened, and why I am getting such different sonic experiences with different inputs.

     

     

     

     

    Manufacturer's comment:

     

    Thank you for your thorough and detailed appraisal. It's been a long journey to

    bring Ted Smith's*design into production, from the first time Gus Skinas played Ted's

    hand-built proof-of-concept*for us, until now.

     

    Starting with*Ted's brilliant vision and code, our Director of Engineering, Dave Paananen,

    our Chief Engineer, Bob Stadtherr*and their whole crew of designers and technicians have put in

    thousands of hours to bring DirectStream to market.

     

    The response to all the hard work has been gratifying; DirectStream has been well-received

    all over the world. Perhaps the most exciting part of DirectStream's design is that, thanks to its

    ability to be updated with new firmware, the best is yet to come!

     

    Paul McGowan, founder and CEO, PS Audio

     

     

     

     

     

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    Product Information:

     

    • Product - PS Audio DirectStream DAC
    • Price - $5,999
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    Distinctive - Thanks for the confirmation that the DS is compatible with my upstream gear (an OR5).

     

    Ksalno - Yes, the OR5 is getting long in the tooth, and doesn't do DSD. I have been on the sidelines with DSD because of that, and want to experience the new technology. I'm guessing the CAers that are into DSD are contributing to this thread, so I'm hoping to learn here.

     

    My prior impression is that connecting via I2S to my DAC2 gives a more direct path to the DAC chip, and bypasses the other input circuitry on the DAC and which themselves subsequently connect into the I2S. My thinking is that the higher quality converter gets the DAC2 DSDse to hit above it's price class. So in my limited thinking, I am not at all surprised by your experience as it mirrors mine... My great respect for the I2S connection kindles in me a desire to hear the DS connected by it, thinking it will widely surpass my current rig and offer DSD, too.

     

    Now let me offer a lot of caveats, here. I am no expert, and these are just my amateur impressions, and of course, don't necessarily relate to the DS at all, which I have not heard, and is in another league altogether. I fully expect that what you have experienced with the DS will have another explanation entirely, given its already wide ranging experience in the market and rave reviews. However, I thought it would be interesting to share my experience as grist to stimulate discussion about the I2S connection. But your experience DOES suggest to me that the combination that you heard reviewed is very top tier...

     

    Thanks, and Merry Christmas,

     

    Randy

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    It's very interesting that neither Paul McGowan nor Ted Smith use the I2S connection - they favor the USB.

     

    Have most of us missed something here?

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    Ted_b - thanks for a great informative review. Would be great to have a multichannel version of this DAC.

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    alcarp, I've had the same question, although I don't know which systems are involved.

     

    I don't have the setup for I2S, so I was using the DS with a TotalDac1 USB cable/filter, JCat USB card and Core Audio Kora LPS in a Win 8.1 i7 desktop computer. It was pretty good, sometimes really good on PCM files and recordings. Then a week ago I decided to drop in the Bridge from a PWD I was selling, just to see if it sounded (and acted) better with the DS than it had with the PWD. I ran a Blue Jeans cat7 ethernet cable from a router that sits between a cable modem and my computer, and reloaded the Wavestream driver, setting up UPnP in foobar (also JPlay using Xtream). All I can say is that things blossomed in just about every dimension one can think of, most significantly a sense of the music coming alive, and w/o bite, unless it was there on the recording. Going back and forth with the TotalDac cable reaffirmed that. Today, I received an Audiostream Vodka ethernet cable to audition, and even barely burned it's brought another level of clarity, staging and sense of presence. I'll also be trying a Meicord from Germany and, if I can handle it, maybe one or two others (JCat, Audioquest Diamond). All of which makes me wonder: here the discussion has turned around I2S, but on the PS Audio forums there seem to be a number of people who find the ethernet route preferable, at least to USB. But then Ted B's informative review didn't really say much specifically about his experience with that input.

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    NO! The DS is a fine fine USB dac...what do you mean "Bad DAC" when I conclude:

    "As a dual format USB DAC it is very good and recommended on all $5K+ budget's short list". ?

     

    My love of the I2S connection is simply "in my system, with my stuff". Ben-M nails that point. As many know I love the Chord Hugo, too, and as a USB DAC it has higher value than the DS (simply cuz it is 40% of the cost for 95% of the performance of PCM and maybe 85% of the performance of DSD). Those extra few percentages are expensive......I'm tell us all something we all know.

     

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    Hugo 95% of PS audio in PCM format. Glad to hear that ....i own a hugo dac and i am auditioning the PS audio DS. I feel the PS audio is sweeter and more coherent. The hugo definitely has more bass but less sweeter. I have not had lot of time with the ps audio was a surprised to read 95%....How are you connecting the hugo? I am using the PS audio transport.

     

    I still need more time but can keep only one...hugo or PS audio...yes hugo is much cheaper...

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    Thanks for the initial feedback on the Bridge. I have NO way to experience the DS ethernet connection, because I do not own nor have a demo of the Bridge (I know of no other unit that connects ethernet to the DS).

     

    I connect the Hugo via USB (TotalDAC or JCAT, via JCAT card, etc). They are two very different presentations. If you can't decide, then don't fret; the Hugo is a huge value.

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    Thank you for your honest and detailed review, Ted. I am a huge DSD fan and was delighted with your thorough review. Personally I think FPGA's are the way to go with DACs (i.e Chord Electronics). All will depend on the firmware, It'll guarantee an easy upgrade path.

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    It's very interesting that neither Paul McGowan nor Ted Smith use the I2S connection - they favor the USB.

     

    Have most of us missed something here?

     

    I don't think so. Everyone needs to test these things in their own systems. I have other paths from my PC to the DirectStream besides USB, but USB can do double rate DSD and uses fewer cables/extra boxes when I go on the road.

     

    In the DirectStream there's nothing magic or more direct about I2S inputs than other inputs, in fact the TOSLink input is the simplest - a wire from the TOSLink connector to the FPGA. Internally the I2S inputs form the HDMI connectors, USB and the bridge all talk to the FPGA with I2S. Since the DirectStream doesn't recover clocks from any inputs jitter differences between the inputs don't matter. The real differences are things like groundloops, EMI, etc. the I2S cable often has better grounding that other cables so it has an advantage over other cables. TOSLink has the advantage of galvanic isolation. USB has the problematic VBUS connector which is another way to receive noise and pass it to the DAC and hence is at a bit of disadvantage. Using Ethernet can also introduce groundloops and a lot of noise, so comparing the bridge to other inputs is even more system specific.

     

    -Ted

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    Thanks for clarification, Ted. I've noticed that since switching to the Audioquest ethernet cable, my Quad powered speakers are humming audibly again. I use TOSlink in my 2.0 TV setup, normally with a PWD II, but when I tried the DS there it sounded awfully good. However, I find the cost of another DS hard to justify for watching TV shows, video and PCM music files and DVDs in a not very sound optimized living room.

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    How does one play DSD? Just use macbook air and good USB cable should suffice? Or is that not a good test for DSD?

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    DSD is now available via dozens of different output player/hardware/OS setups. DSD is sent natively or via DoP. In the Directstrem specifically, DSD is bitstreamed natively via I2S; I described in my own Rendu setup, with either Minimserver (no streamer config options) or Synology Media Server. You can send it via DoP in many inputs (USB via Linux, Windows or Mac; SPDIF, AES/EBU or I2S). If going DoP via Minimserver then make sure you have DoPwav configs set up in the stream.transcode config field.

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    DSD is sent natively or via DoP. In the Directstrem specifically, DSD is bitstreamed natively via I2S

    This is true, however internally in the DS the native DSD stream fed to the I2s input is converted to DoP along with the remaining inputs. This, however will not result in a loss in sound quality.

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    Ted Smith says "....the DS can consume single rate DSD via DoP on any input, double rate DSD via DoP on all inputs except TOSLink and the bridge, and native single rate and double rate dsd (raw dsd) over the I2S inputs. We MAY in a future release update the USB drivers to support raw DSD".

     

    So, Distinctive, why would they care about raw anything (such as spending time to later release a raw USB driver) if it's all DoP at the end of the line anyway? Net/net, I'm confused by your answer.

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    Ted Smith says "....the DS can consume single rate DSD via DoP on any input, double rate DSD via DoP on all inputs except TOSLink and the bridge, and native single rate and double rate dsd (raw dsd) over the I2S inputs. We MAY in a future release update the USB drivers to support raw DSD".

     

    So, Distinctive, why would they care about raw anything (such as spending time to later release a raw USB driver) if it's all DoP at the end of the line anyway? Net/net, I'm confused by your answer.

    @ted_b;

    There are several threads touching on this subject over at PSA forum.

    Here is one: Playing double-rate DSD on the DS | DirectStream DAC | Forums | PS Audio

    Ted Smith has explained this in detail, however to not risk explaining the wrong things I reckon Ted himself may chime in on the matter. The main issue is to avoid several conversions prior to processing the audio signal in the FPGA.

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    Distinctive, Nice catch. So now even more confused.

     

    Ted-Smith, so is it more proper, if given the options, to stay DoP on, say, Signature Rendu I2S-Minimserver, since you are using DoP to traverse the 24 bit paths out to deep space? Or is raw/native DSD (via I2S) the better way cuz then you don't have certain work to do?? Are you looking to go raw USB someday simply to appease marketing? Thx

    Ted-B

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    Distinctive, Nice catch. So now even more confused.

     

    Ted-Smith, so is it more proper, if given the options, to stay DoP on, say, Signature Rendu I2S-Minimserver, since you are using DoP to traverse the 24 bit paths out to deep space? Or is raw/native DSD (via I2S) the better way cuz then you don't have certain work to do?? Are you looking to go raw USB someday simply to appease marketing? Thx

    Ted-B

    I hope this doesn't mean that that you suddenly think the DS I2s is not superior after all ;)

    To me Ted's answer seemed perfectly reasonable when explained.

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    ? The setup I have is superior to anything else I tried (I didn't try to force DoP cuz at the time why would I); nothing technical will change how I feel that particular setup sounds. The comments here are simply to help me find out why? And what pieces are important variables. If DoP vs raw makes no freaking difference, it's good to know. If DoP is better than raw, then that is also good to know. Example: For some DACs the ASIO (Windows) raw non-DoP DSD stream can elicit better feedback from some listeners. This is often explained as either having more cpu overhead with DoP (a rather weak proposition but in the category of "everything matters" maybe it's enough to affect sound) or that the mfg'ers ASIO driver is simply a better design (whatever that means).

     

    What doesn't seem reasonable (or a better term would be "explainable") is why would a company prepare/announce a possible new USB driver direction (ASIO and/or raw) if it is contrary (or irrelevant) to the correct signal path (all DoP). So unlike you, I am still scratching my head. :)

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    Howdy

     

    In a player it's not obvious which method will have better sound quality: wrapping DSD in DoP or using a higher sample rate. It's easy to imagine either one causing sound quality degradation depending on the rest of the system.

     

    My hypothesis is that certain DAC chips get a cleaner (lower jitter) clock from the 2.8MHz input of raw DSD compared to the 176.4kHz clock of DoP. There is marketing pressure to support raw DSD because some don't understand that DoP is lossless and cheap and/or some believe that raw DSD is more "pure" than DoP. When it's convenient we will support raw DSD over USB just for the marketing checklist, not for any particular technical reason.

     

    In the FPGA implementing something to get raw DSD thru the same FIFO as PCM or having separate PCM and DSD FIFOs is a more code/processing than the minuscule work of wrapping raw DSD into DoP and using the extant DoP/PCM path. In general any extra code is a chance for bugs, takes more work to test and often decreases sound quality.

     

    -Ted

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    Ted, thanks. So raw or native DSD is, if anything, a miniscule bit of MORE work (assuming the DoP coming from sources needs not be re-wrapped)?

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    Ted -b. I have a question did you use a winserver and AO. ???

    As I have tested th DS with all of its inputs and usb is just better. Yes it's marginal but it's there. I have a sample of the B2 as well i do still feel usb edges it out.

    Regarding the Hugo and DS I do see your point and agree to a point there. Although the hugo is cheaper the ds is more than enough better to warrant the additional cost.

    To me as good as the hugo sounds it is a gimmick device where the DS is a real hi end audio device.

    After all who would use a Hugo in a home system if not tempory till,your main dac is purchased.

    Lastly what did you prefer was better with the DS , pcm or DSd. And as I am not of the camp that so called DSd pure is better than dop. If I cannot hear it than its just not true.

     

    For me I think for the two dacs you mentioned there strong points are pcm not dsd

    any thoughts.

    And I am glad your review is finally out . Nice read .

    al

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    Ted, thanks. So raw or native DSD is, if anything, a miniscule bit of MORE work (assuming the DoP coming from sources needs not be re-wrapped)?

    Yep, to use the PCM FIFO in the FPGA the DSD needs to be packed into 24 (or 16) bit words anyway so the theoretically "purer" path is polluted... To be "clean" and have a separate DSD FIFO adds a lot of muxing/ demuxing and more memory usage...

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    ALRAINBOW: you have listened to the DS via a Sonore Signature Rendu and I2S? Remember, an I2S feed is likely to be more sensitive to the source than USB... Ted's results via I2S were specifically with the Sonore Signature Rendu, which is a no compromise Renderer designed to produce the absolute best I2S and SPDIF feed possible. I think it is important to realize that the source quality is an issue when determining which input of the DS is "best". To declare USB as best as you have is only valid if you have exhausted all possible sources for other inputs.

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    Al, as I've already posted the USB via my dual pc AO'd setup is very very good, but not the Sig Rendu at I2S for me. Your preference for USB is yours. Also, I thought I made it very clear that I feel that the DS does PCM slightly better than it does DSD. I said it here:

    "This DAC is a difficult one to categorize. It is hyper-DSD internally, yet plays back PCM even better than it does DSD."

     

    As far as Hugo being a gimmick device, I gotta stop you there. Seriously? I think the Hugo is one of three or four reference-level DACs I've experienced in the past several years, and deserves a place at anyone's home rig (connector hurdles notwithstanding). Is the DS better? Yeah, but not necessarily through all sources, and not anywhere near available at $2300.

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    I found the Chord to have a very different sound signature to the Directstream, anyway.

     

    More impact and slam but not as smooth and refined as the DS. Its a matter of personal preference as to which is better.

     

    Ted Smith's explanation seems to point to the Rendu (I2S) as being a potentially superior source as far as EMI, RFI etc is concerned.

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    Ted Smith's explanation seems to point to the Rendu (I2S) as being a potentially superior source as far as EMI, RFI etc is concerned.

     

    I believe this to be the salient point here. The Rendu Signature has huge attention to detail in the power regulation of discrete circuits to minimise noise and high frequency spuriae contaminating the output signal. Exactly the same principles are employed in the design of the the server I use (Antipodes DX). The Rendu is a streamer and uses I2S output, whereas the Antipodes is a server and uses USB output.

     

    I do not doubt that the Rendu and DirectStream play beautifully together. John Darko (of Digital Audio a Review fame) uses similar words to describe his experience with the DirectStream and an Antipodes server.

     

    Well done Ted B on a well written and insightful review.

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