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    Guide to Converting Analog Vinyl To Digital Files Using Windows

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    This guide provides a step by step walkthrough of ripping audiophile vinyl to 24/192 digital audio. Included in the guide are details on how to use state of the art digital audio restoration software to remove clicks, pops, and crackles, while minimizing the impact on sound quality.

     

    The guide is designed to be as accessible as possible so that people with varying degrees of skill and experience can successfully transfer vinyl to digital with minimum effort and is repeatable.[PRBREAK][/PRBREAK]

     

     

     

     

    The audiophile import pressing pictured below has good dynamic range and a large quantity of clicks, pops, and crackles, as the record has been played many times. This will provide a real world challenge to properly transfer and restore.

     

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    Introduction

     

     

    Let’s take a quick trip down audiophile vinyl memory lane. Telarc ex.png, was one of the first audiophile record labels in the late 70’s to use a new digital audio recording system called Soundstream ex.png to record this performance:

     

     

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    “Soundstream Inc., was the world’s first audiophile digital audio recording company, providing commercial services for recording and computer-based editing.” Telarc’s half-speed mastering process and import pressing, preserves a great deal of the dynamic range captured by the Soundstream digital recorder. This performance and recording became known as the bass drum heard around the world ex.png. This caution label came with the record in addition to these technical specifications published on the inside cover. The only item left out was the Threshold 400A that powered the ADS monitors. It really was state of the art for 1978 and still sounds impressive today. Keep an ear on woofer excursions during the bass drum transients.

     

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    Requirements

     

    What’s Required:

    A turntable, tonearm, cartridge, and phono preamplifier. The phono preamp is used to amplify the low level cartridge signal to line level and apply the RIAA equalization curve. RIAA equalization ex.png is a specification. The purposes of the equalization are to permit greater recording times, improve sound quality, and to reduce the groove damage that would otherwise arise during playback. When this record was cut, the reverse of the curve below was applied (pre-emphasis), and when played back, the equalization curve below (de-emphasis) is applied.

     

     

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    The point is that RIAA equalization must be applied at playback, but can be implemented in different ways. For example, a preamplifier, integrated amp, receiver, etc., may have phono inputs built in, as is the RIAA equalization. Another approach, typically used by audiophiles, is to use a separate, dedicated phono preamp. For DIY, there are several circuits ex.png, designs ex.png, and modules ex.png to choose from.

     

    The RIAA equalization curve can also be implemented in software. This allows for the greatest flexibility as there are hundreds of variations of the RIAA equalization curve over decades of record production. Vinyl enthusiasts restoring records from the 1940’s, for example, would benefit from such flexibility.

    Most digital audio recording and editing software will have software plugins for RIAA equalization curves. For example, Audacity has several RIAA equalization variations to choose from:

     

     

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    I was going to write in-depth about RIAA equalization in software, but after some investigation, this would require an article onto itself. If interested, a good place to start is: HERE ex.png. For the purpose of this article, the separate component route was chosen. The Pro-Ject Tube Box S ex.png is an entry-level tube phono preamp with a pair of graded ECC83 (12AX7A) tubes.

     

     

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    Turntable, tonearm, and cartridge:

    During my research, I was surprised at how many turntable choices there were. From “all in one ex.png” solutions, to ultra-high end ex.png separates, to home built hi-fi ex.png. I was recently downtown Toronto at Bay Bloor Radio checking out their extensive line of turntables and accessories ex.png on the floor. This all in one ex.png solution has both a built-in moving magnet phono preamplifier, with line level analog outs, and A/D converter to USB, at a reasonable price point. I am using Pro-Ject Audio’s Expression Classic ex.png, with a Pro-Ject carbon fiber tonearm, and factory fitted Sumiko Blue Point No. 2 cartridge ex.png.

     

     

     

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    Pre-flight Hardware Check

     

    The Pro-Ject Tubebox S amplifies the cartridge signal to line level and applies the RIAA equalization, (and depending on the circuit design, not necessarily in that order) , which then feeds the analog inputs of a Lynx Hilo A/D D/A converter ex.png.

    Before I record, I run through a checklist:

     

    1. Check cartridge Vertical Tracking Angle (VTA), overhang, azimuth, tracking force, and any other adjustments. Calibrate to spec as required.
    2. Check phono preamp to see if impedance load and capacitance values are matched to the cartridge.
    3. With all cables plugged in, check for hum or buzz. Ensure ground leads on table and phono preamp are secure.
    4. Wash records. VPI ex.png makes effective cleaning machines.

     

     

     

    Software

     

    What about digital audio recording software? There is no shortage of recording software for the PC, some are open source like Audacity ex.png, to commercial Digital Audio Workstations ex.png (DAW’s). In my case, I use Audacity to record at 24/192 to get the best transfer possible. Once I have the conversion, then I will try vinyl restoration software in an attempt to restore this audiophile recording to an enjoyable state.

     

    Audio Device Configuration and Audacity Setup:

    I recommend using the ASIO ex.png driver if the sound card or outboard A/D D/A supplies one. ASIO bypasses everything Windows and the application (e.g. Audacity) communicates through the ASIO driver directly to the hardware. ASIO is the standard in the Pro Audio world because of this and its inherent low latency design.

     

    In case of Windows 7 (and Windows 8) audio system, from the Start menu->Control Panel-> Sound:

     

     

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    Above I have set USB Play 01+02 as the Default Playback Device. Click on Properties for the Default Device. Ensure that the level on the Levels tab is set 100%. Check that “Disable all enhancements” on the Enhancement tab is checked on. Finally, match the sample rate and bit depth to the desired rate and depth of the A/D D/A converter. In my case, everything is configured for 24/192.

     

    It is the same procedure for the Recording tab below:

     

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    Software Tips

     

    Now that everything is setup, configured, and warmed up, I am ready to start the transfer process. A couple of tips based on my experiments. Monitor the recording using headphones and not speakers to prevent any acoustic signal or vibration from getting into the recording. With nothing playing and headphones on, slowly turn up the volume to check for any excessive hiss or hum from the setup. Because I am using Lynx Hilo’s supplied ASIO USB driver, I am using the ASIO version of Audacity:

     

     

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    Label 1 is where to select the audio device used for recording and playback based on the little speaker and microphone icons to the left of the drop down lists. Turning to Label 3, note the drop down arrow to the right of the microphone icon. Clicking on it drops down a list of items, one of which allows the selection of turning monitoring on. With it on, I now have meters and headphone monitoring. Back to Label 1, clicking on the recording drop down list produces the following list of sound devices from my computer audio setup:

     

     

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    I have selected the ASIO device. The same settings can be referenced from the Audacity Edit menu->preferences->Devices:

     

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    Label 2 is the project’s sample rate. In addition to selecting in the drop down, this and other parameters can be set by clicking on File menu->Edit->Preferences->Quality:

     

     

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    Label 3 is the peak recording meter that I need to keep an eye on. More on that shortly, but now I am ready to record.

    Recording:

     

     

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    Spin The Black Circle

     

    Step 1 is to locate the loudest passage on the vinyl, whether capturing a single cut or the entire side. This is required to properly set the maximum digital audio record level. In order to do this, I need to monitor the input level, not only with headphones, but the peak level meters as well.

    The idea is to set the recording level close to the end of the meter, but no clipping during the loudest passage. In the case of Audacity, a clipped level will leave a red marker at the end of the meter while monitoring. Just like in the screen shot below:

     

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    I use the A/D converter on my Lynx Hilo for different audio tasks, location binaural recording, acoustic measurements, and now ripping vinyl. That was one criteria I used for the selection of this device. The Hilo has an onboard 32 x 32 channel mixer that is controlled by a touch screen. I use it for patch bay routing, analog and digital loopback, and in this case routing the A/D line input to Audacity digital input channels 1 + 2. I set Audacity’s input level at 0 dBFS and use the Hilo’s faders and metering to control the digital input level to Audacity.

     

    Alternate Sources for Analog to Digital Converters (ADC). Depending on the computer or laptop make and model, it may have a 1/8” mini jack line input to an onboard A/D converter. The issue is whether the jack is stereo or mono. If it is stereo, then it is an existing way to gain access to an A/D converter. If not, and again depending on the computer make and model, one can acquire an internal/external sound card/interface that has an A/D converter on it. As mentioned earlier in the guide, some turntable “all in one units” have an onboard A/D converter and USB connection to stream the digital audio to Audacity, for example. There are many choices.

     

    During the loudest passage on the record, a good peak level is between -6dBFS and -3dBFS. It is worthwhile to experiment with setting the maximum level and go over the loudest passage on the record a few times to get the level just right. Make sure no clipping occurs like in the picture below:

     

     

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    Getting the right level is the most important step during the recording process and may take a few iterations to get it just right. It is worth taking the time. Now that the level is set, I press record in Audacity and drop the needle. I monitor the recording on headphones and watch the meters. In this case, I am recording the first cut on the record. Once the song ends, I press stop and then immediately listen back to the recording over headphones to see if it sounds the same as my memory imprint. Be sure to turn on Show Clipping from the Audacity View menu to catch any recorded clipping. This will mark the waveform in red if there is clipping.

     

     

    Here is the finished recording in the waveform display in Audacity.

     

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    As mentioned on the albums Caution label, cut 1, near the end, has a build up with the bass drum, followed by 3 transient hits of the bass drum heard around the world. It is easy to spot near the end on the waveform display. Using TTD Dynamic Range Meter (or Foobar plugin) from DR Database ex.png, the result is a DR of 14. Correlating that to the legend on the DR Database site, this 1978 vinyl import pressing has good dynamic range:

     

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    Dynamic range - check. I was lucky to get away with -0.5dBFS peak level. No clipping, but cutting it pretty close. Looking at the waveform again below, I have zoomed in on the time scale, so I am viewing the first 60 seconds of the waveform. Note the numerous vertical “spikes”, those are vinyl clicks.

     

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    How does it sound? Careful with the volume. The needle drop is loud. Gapless playback may have to be turned off in the software music player in order to hear the silence and transition to the needle drop.

     

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    The needle drop is loud! There are a lot of clicks, pops, and crackles. One can correlate the visuals with the sound. Download and open the WAV file in Audacity or other digital audio editing software. Watch the play cursor go over the needle drop and clicks in real-time in the waveform display and correlate by listening to the sound. Now that I have a good transfer to digital audio, what’s next? This is where state of the art Digital Signal Processing (DSP) software designed for digital audio restoration can help out.

     

     

     

     

    Digital Audio Restoration Software

     

     

    There are several digital audio restoration software packages/plugin modules available. This category of DSP software has capabilities to automatically and/or manually remove vinyl clicks, crackles, and pops. Audacity has this capability, as does an oldie but goody, Wave Repair ex.png. Audacity also has a Sample workflow for LP digitization ex.png with a section on click and crackle removal. However, I wanted to try state of the art commercial software to see what the latest in DSP software algorithms can offer. One such software is iZotope’s RXII Audio Repair Software ex.png. It has a wide range of digital audio restoration capabilities, but for this article, I focused on click and crackle removal. I feel that the Help manual has done an excellent job outlining the restoration procedure:

     

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    I am impressed with the user manual as it is clear to me what I have to do and in what order, plus a couple of tips. Below is what the track I recorded in Audacity looks like in iZotope RXII software waveform display and spectrum analyzer:

     

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    Here is a zoom in on the time scale showing the first 60 seconds or so.

     

     

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    Wow, look at the spectrum of the amount of clicks! The high resolution spectrum display clearly shows the detail of the clicks. I will be impressed if the clicks are reduced without audibly degrading the SQ. I am going to take the advice of the manual and listen to the output of the clicks only. What an awesome feature. I am going to start with the default vinyl preset, give a listen, and fine tune the Strength as recommended.

     

    56,835 clicks repaired! That was using the default/preset Strength of 5. With “Output clicks only”, I tried a variety of Strength settings, but ended back at the default setting.

     

     

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    I am processing 2 tracks, 32 bit float at 192KHz which uses a fair amount of processing power on my i5 – 2500 quad core CPU running at 3.30 GHz, with 8 gigs of RAM installed. It also takes some time to process (11 minutes) one track. But for over 56,000 clicks being removed…

     

     

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    Let’s have another look at the first 60 seconds, now with click removal applied:

     

     

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    Remarkable compared to the previous picture above with all of those clicks. Where’s the needle drop?

    Here is what it sounds like. Again careful with the monitoring level as the needle drop is still there, but greatly reduced in level.

     

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    Wow, no clicks and still sounds good. As recommended by the manual, run decrackle after declick. I stuck with the defaults:

     

     

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    Here is the first 60 seconds with declick and decrackle.

     

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    Notice how the crackle of the surface noise is reduced compared to just declick. I am impressed with this software’s capability to significantly reduce the number of clicks and crackles without having an adverse impact on the SQ. A quick check in the TT Dynamic Range meter still shows a DR of 14, so the dynamic range has not been affected.

     

    These are using the default settings of the vinyl preset. The recommendation is to run the declick and decrackle in multiple passes, but this is just with one pass of each. I suppose I could have experimented more with different settings. But the default setting exceeds my expectations as is.

     

    Here is the full track so you can hear for yourself how quiet the disc sounds and the dynamic range of the bass drum heard around the world. This vinyl rip and restoration has turned from, “I would never play this disc again”, to “an enjoyable sound that I can listen to over and over again.”

     

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    Conclusion

     

     

    I am impressed with the effectiveness of the transfer of dynamic range to digital audio and how advanced DSP software has become over the recent years. The declick and decrackle algorithms in iZotope’s Digital Audio Restoration Software are nothing short of miracles. I never thought I would be able to play this record again. Now I can enjoy “that sound” anytime I want. I could not ask for anything more.

    While I did not cover every aspect of converting vinyl to digital audio, I highlighted the essential aspects, getting a clean recording of the vinyl and how to remove clicks and crackles. Hopefully it is enough to consider dusting off those LP records and giving them another lease on life.

     

    I am developing Part 2 of this guide for the Macintosh. This will allow me to run software like Amarra Vinyl ex.png and Pure Vinyl ex.png software that has more feature automation around splitting tracks, and compare their declick and decrackle algorithms and SQ to Audacity and iZotope RXII. Stay tuned.

     

     

     

     

     

    Post Script: Final But Very Important Notes

     

    Comparing Vinyl Rip to CDROM Rip:

    For every article I write, I intend to include a section that promotes critical listening skills. In this case, I am going to compare the newly minted vinyl rip to the same recording, but ripped from CDROM:

     

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    I love it that there is no question of provenance, for either the LP record or the CDROM.

     

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    Loading the digital track from the CD in the dynamic range meter reports a DR of 17. The dynamic range is greater than the LP record. I am still impressed with a 1978 vinyl pressing can report a DR of 14, especially given the number of plays.

     

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    Let’s have some fun.

     

    Do you feel you can hear the difference between the LP and CD rips? Do you think you can pick which one is which? I have to stack the deck a little, as starting out from dead silence would be too easy. But once the music masks the noise floor, who knows…

     

    I picked the last 60 seconds of the recording starting with the bass drum ramp up and finale of the three transient hits of the bass drum. I lined up the tracks timing and matched the levels as best as possible. The vinyl rip and CDROM version alternate every 15 seconds. Meaning for the first 15 seconds, you are listening to either the vinyl or CD rip, then it switches to the other rip, every 15 seconds, swap. In fact, you will hear the digital edits for the first couple of 15 second transitions. You have a 50/50 chance on getting whether I started with the vinyl rip or the CDROM rip. You could open the file in a Digital Audio editor, but that is no guarantee to figure out which is which either. There are a few telltale signs, but the point of the exercise is to use your ears Luke and have some fun.

     

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    Does the recording start with the vinyl rip or CDROM rip?

     

     

     

    Happy Listening!

     

     

     

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    About the author

     

     

    Mitch-200.jpgMitch “Mitchco” Barnett

    I love music and audio. I grew up with music around me as my Mom was a piano player (swing) and my Dad was an audiophile (jazz). At that time Heathkit was big and my Dad and I built several of their audio kits. Electronics was my first career and my hobby was building speakers, amps, preamps, etc., and I still DIY today ex.png. I also mixed live sound for a variety of bands, which led to an opportunity to work full-time in a 24 track recording studio. Over 10 years, I recorded, mixed, and sometimes produced ex.png over 30 albums, 100 jingles, and several audio for video post productions in a number of recording studios in Western Canada. This was during a time when analog was going digital and I worked in the first 48 track all digital studio in Canada. Along the way, I partnered with some like-minded audiophile friends, and opened up an acoustic consulting and manufacturing company. I purchased a TEF acoustics analysis computer ex.png which was a revolution in acoustic measuring as it was the first time sound could be measured in 3 dimensions. My interest in software development drove me back to University and I have been designing and developing software ex.png ever since.

     

     

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    Hi Mitch, my consultant recommended Izotope RX2. I had trial copies of a couple of $3K declick and denoisers and found that RX2 did as good or better a job at about 10% of the price. I didn't try any of the low cost solutions. My TT is a VPI HRX with Rim Drive with the VPI 12.6 arm and a Lyra Skala cartridge. I am ripping classical music, about 10,000 albums, mostly original British Decca (3000), original EMI (3000), and RCA Living Stereo, Mercury Living Prescence, Lyrita, Reference Recordings, Harmonia Mundi. BIS, Chesky and many others, including all of the Absolute Sound Super Disk recordings. So far I have ripped about 3000 records and prerecorded tapes - over 10TB worth.

     

    I have digitized my relatively small (1200) CD collection in lossless FLAC and ripped my 150 or so SACD's by taking the analogue stereo output from my Oppo BDP-95 and feeding it into the PM Model Two.

     

    Larry

     

    Hi Larry, awesome gear - must sound amazing. The compare to RX2 says a lot about the product. Like Bill says, I envy your music library. Thanks again for sharing.

     

    Cheers, Mitch

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    I don't see why Vinyl Studio is necessarily so much better than any other decent recording software package (like, for example, Adobe Audition).

     

    The problem for many of us audiophiles is that we are not as computer knowledgeable as many of you are on this site. My big thanks to Mitch for writing this up, was long overdue, and to ogs for the link to Vinyl Studio. I just bought it, and at first glance VS is MUCH simpler to use than Audacity, which I'm sure is great but is more complex and has too many things that I will never need. Bye bye also to Pure Vinyl, it crashed so many times over the last two years that I eventually got fed up.

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    hi Mitch, I am having trouble with the graphics in this article on an iPad, they auto expand to thousands of lines of web page and make it almost impossible to scroll and navigate. If I am alone then that's my problem. I post in case others are having the same problem in which case it might be the source. this is the only article on CA I have ever seen or had this problem with..... best, mike

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    I don't see why Vinyl Studio is necessarily so much better than any other decent recording software package (like, for example, Adobe Audition).

     

    Hi spdif-usb,

     

    sound quality in Vinyl Studio is not better than the others I mention as such, but the same top quality. My main point is that VS does everything in one package - it is fast and very easy to use. After recording two sides of an LP I can use as little as 10 minutes for cleaning, tagging, splitting and saving as FLAC files. You can get meta data from internet bases. No need to type in album and track names manually. You keep (if you want) the original recording so it is easy to go back and fix errors you discover at a later time.

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    The problem for many of us audiophiles is that we are not as computer knowledgeable as many of you are on this site. My big thanks to Mitch for writing this up, was long overdue, and to ogs for the link to Vinyl Studio. I just bought it, and at first glance VS is MUCH simpler to use than Audacity, which I'm sure is great but is more complex and has too many things that I will never need. Bye bye also to Pure Vinyl, it crashed so many times over the last two years that I eventually got fed up.

     

    Hi tresaino,

     

    I always wanted to try Pure Vinyl but as I use Windows I never got there.. interesting to see that you swapped to Vinyl Studio. Good luck!

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    Hi tresaino,

     

    I always wanted to try Pure Vinyl but as I use Windows I never got there.. interesting to see that you swapped to Vinyl Studio. Good luck!

     

    thanks! I already digitized a couple of albums, it does indeed work great and really is easy to use, love it!

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    hi Mitch, I am having trouble with the graphics in this article on an iPad, they auto expand to thousands of lines of web page and make it almost impossible to scroll and navigate. If I am alone then that's my problem. I post in case others are having the same problem in which case it might be the source. this is the only article on CA I have ever seen or had this problem with..... best, mike

     

    Not alone, I looked with my iPad and some images display correctly, but some are vertically stretched out to unrecognizable blurs. For me the first image that displays correctly is the album cover for Frederick Fennell and the Cleveland Symphonic Winds. And things are fine from that down to below the image from Audacity showing the RIAA option selection.

     

    The next image is again stretched down a long way to the image of the turntable. Things are fine then down to something black in the "Spin The Black Circle" section, actually below the level meter image after the "During the loudest" paragraph.

     

    This stretched image continues down to the "Getting the right level" paragraph where things are fine again down to the end of the article and also the end of the comments.

     

    So only a few images by the looks of things, starting with the big stylized A to D, then the picture of the tube box, then the picture from the front of the Hilo.

     

    A little bit of fixin, perhaps the images are too dense ... IDK. My iPad is first gen using Safari. No problem on the PC.

     

    Great article by the way, looking for that RIAA continuance ... a subject I am looking at myself.

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    Thanks for the detailed info about the images. I suspect it's the lack of retina display on the original iPad causing the issue. On my iPad 3 everything looks perfect as well as my iPhone.

     

    Is your iPad up to date with the newest version of iOS?

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    Thanks for the detailed info about the images. I suspect it's the lack of retina display on the original iPad causing the issue. On my iPad 3 everything looks perfect as well as my iPhone.

     

    Is your iPad up to date with the newest version of iOS?

     

    Hi Chris, you are probably correct, my gen 1 iPad has the highest OS that Apple will put on it ... iOS 5.1.1 And my iPhone 4 which has iOS 6.0.1 will render the pages correctly so this would seem to be limited to older iPads.

     

    I turned on DeBug mode in Safari and it indicates the page(s) have no problems.

     

    There must be something fundamentally different about these three elements as everything else on the page displays correctly. What does the Retina display bring to the table? is it just higher res ... this is the first time this issue has occurred for me.

     

    I am not so concerned about this because I mostly use the PC for this sort of stuff.

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    The only tool that I miss in Vinyl Studio is the possibility to record 2 audio files at the same time, one in high resolution, the other in 16/44.1. Everything else is spectacularly easy with Vinyl Studio. Is there any way to make a 16/44.1 copy from a 24/96 file AFTER it has been recorded? I understand for this it may be better to record in 24/88.2, is this still correct or perhaps no longer an issue? Thanks.

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    Horrible problem with some graphics on my iPad too!

     

    But great article and discussion.

     

    I use Vinyl Studio (excellent!) and Adobe Audition (powerful but very complex). I digitize only to 16/48, with very good results, and only manually declick the most egregious clicks. Can't be bothered with minor pops.

     

    Guido F.

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    When you get around to writing the Mac and Pure Vinyl article, would be very interested to know what sounds better:

    --turntable directly to ADC, using Hilo as preamp and for applying RIAA in software

    --turntable to phono to ADC

    --turntable to line preamp to ADC, applying RIAA in software

     

    Dave

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    When you get around to writing the Mac and Pure Vinyl article, would be very interested to know what sounds better:

    --turntable directly to ADC, using Hilo as preamp and for applying RIAA in software

    --turntable to phono to ADC

    --turntable to line preamp to ADC, applying RIAA in software

     

    Dave

     

    I'm planning to try that as soon as I can get some RCA-to-XLR adaptors for my turntable cable.

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    Hi Dave and burnspbesq,

     

    I am hoping to complete the Mac article this month. There will be some comparisons and a few suprises.

     

    With respect to applying RIAA in software, which I will be doing in one of the scenarios, still requires a preamplifier. Additionally, some consideration is required if the table/cartridge is using unbalanced RCA interconnects to connect to a balanced preamp may require load resistors. See Pure Vinyl's documentation.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Mitch

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    Hey Mitch!

     

    I got the itch over the holidays to "test rip" some vinyl to my iMac using Audacity. I "Add Label at Playback Position" to divide up the tracks and "Export Multiple" them as AIFF files to a folder I've set up. When I go into iTunes and "Add to Library" it seems to import the tracks out-of-order. Am I doing something wrong somewhere?

     

    Bill

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    Its not that I'm having trouble getting it to split into tracks, it's that those track numbers I input in Audacity don't transfer over to the AIFF metadata for some reason in iTunes.

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    There was a lot of discussion in the article about clicks and pops. In my experience, as a long time analogphile, c and p are just not that big a deal with a good TT, arm, and cartridge.

     

    I'm about to embark on setting up an A to D system to transfer around 2000 or so vinyls to hires digital and this article will help a lot. Thanks

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    Hello Mitchco!

     

    Fantastic article !

    I'm really looking forward to reading the mac version (as I'm a mac user)!

     

    Cheers

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    Hey Mitch! Thanks for the tip, didn't solve the problem though. I'm going to have to dig deeper and see what iTunes might be doing to the metadata.

     

    The other thing I noticed is they're coming over as 32/96 AIFF when everything's set to 24/96.

     

    Bill

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    Audactiy (up to version 2.0.3 at least) does not support 24-bit recording on the Windows platform.

     

    "(Windows) Recording at 24-bit quality or higher isn't possible even with devices that support it due to current limitations in PortAudio."

     

    Release Notes 2.0.3 - Audacity Wiki

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    Hi weirdo12, I used the Audacity version that supports ASIO (see link embedded in guide). It is my understanding that the ASIO version supports 24-bit recording: Audacity compiled with ASIO /windows 24bit recording

     

    Cheers, Mitch

     

    I missed that Mitch - my apologies. Here again is the link from the guide to Audacity 1.3.13 that supports 24-bit recording using ASIO:

     

    Audacity with ASIO support

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    I have a question related to set up of bit depth for recording

    You can select 32 bits for the project and then export the audio files at 24

    I guess then some dithering is applied

    Is this better than use 24 bit all the way in recording and export?

    Thank you for any insight about this

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    Nice article you put some time into it.

     

    Recently my son and I have been converting Vinyl to digital. What I would like to see is a review on the convertor hardware. This is mostly computer driven and an area that cost can be cut.

     

    The Analog to digital converter you used is $2500.00. No doubt a nice one. But computer chip prices have been reduce exponentially. And Iphone today can outperform $10,000+ PCs of yesterday.

     

    There are now USB converters for under $20.00. They do a surprisingly good job. I compared a few using audacity to record the baseline noise floor. One USB unit did have quite a bit of electrical noise vs another. Surprisingly a $13.00 USB unit has virtually no noise.

     

    Since you already have a expensive converter would you consider buying and comparing a cheaper unit?

     

    Amazon.com: Vinyl Cassette To CD/MP3 Converter - USB Digital Audio MP3 WMA WAVE Recorder: Electronics

     

    I would like to find the point of diminishing returns on computer converters.

     

    We found the files made with that cheap converter to be very close the source sound. Used a B&O 8002 with a $800.00 MMC1 cartridge.

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