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    The Audio Impact of Solar Panels and Battery Backup: Introduction, Installation & Initial Listen

     

     

    Introduction

     

    It was a dark and stormy night. Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse. Now that I’ve hooked you with these clichés, the real saga begins.

     

    The only sound to be heard was the soft patter of sleet and freezing rain covering every exterior surface with a translucent glaze. At 2am, the power went out, not to return, other than for a couple of brief 1-2 hour spells, for 5 days. The ice storm was followed by successive days of snow, more ice, and then, more snow. All this, while temperatures dipped as low as 5º F. Meanwhile, my family and I huddled, lived, and slept around our gas fireplace, thankful we at least had some heat. Wow, you say, winters are tough in Minnesota. Think again, buster. This was Austin freakin’ Texas! Where normal weather in mid-February is mild days in the 60s and cool nights in the 40s.

     

    When power (and water!) finally returned, and we slowly got back to normal, my wife and I had the “talk” about protection. No, not that protection, the one about backup power and resilience from outages. What seemed nice in the past became an imperative now. We were now painfully aware of how unreliable our power grid really was.

     

    Of course, we live in Texas, where natural gas is cheap, as is electricity. The cheapest option, and most resilient to an outage of indeterminate duration, would have been a whole-house backup generator. I had priced a system like this in the past — a snazzy, Generac 22kW — and been quoted $9k fully installed. Well, that was before an actual disaster. Now (April 2021), when I could actually get a contractor to even come out and give me a quote, the price was $18k! Long live American Capitalism! Supply and Demand, Sucka’s!

     

    In any case, my progressive wife and daughters recoiled at the prospect of putting a noisy, smelly, fossil-fuel-burning machine next to our house. Despite the considerably greater cost, the decision was made to invest in solar panels with battery backup. Before you ask about ROI, let me stipulate — we’re not going to break even on this for decades, if ever. Our electric rates are cheap (barely over 15¢/kWh, even at the highest slab of our tiered rates), and we do not have time-of-use rates. There is a whole rabbit hole to go down to discuss ROI, but that’s not the focus of this article. Let me just say - this was not an ROI-driven decision.

     

     

    Solar + Battery Backup System

     

    I will also not go deep into the process of selecting a solar contractor. The same supply and demand economics that was driving the generator guys was also driving the solar guys. I got 3 laughably large bids from local solar contractors, after which I decided to go with Tesla, with their upfront, no-fuss pricing right on the website. I selected a 12.24kW system, with 36x 340W panels, along with 3x PowerWalls, with a total capacity of 40.5 kWh.

     

    Tesla moved quite briskly through the steps of system design and permitting, while I got HOA approval. In early June, all the steps needed to schedule installation were done, but then our utility (Austin Energy, or AE) threw in a 4-month delay to schedule a TDR (temporary disconnect-reconnect). The TDR is needed during install for the Tesla electricians to safely reroute the grid connection. Thus began the wait.

     

    Finally, in late October, the install actually occurred over 2 intense, dawn to dusk days. I was quite impressed with the Tesla crew, both the panel installers and the electricians. I don’t want to wax too lyrical about Tesla, however. There were plenty of issues as well, especially as their communication (phone/email/text) really sucks. Again, this article isn’t about all the design and scheduling issues that are typical in this kind of project. Suffice it to say that at the end of day 2, my system had been tested and was operational. Of course, this just means it is potentially operable, as there are at least 2 steps remaining: AE’s inspection of the work, followed several weeks later by AE’s PTO (permission to operate).  So as of this writing, the story isn’t complete. But don’t worry, I’ll have more to say in a future article!

     

     

    The Installed System

     

    One of the few benefits of the long delay is that in the interim, Tesla rolled out new, more efficient panels that produced 425W, instead of the 340W specified in my original system. This changed my system design down to 29 instead of 36 panels, totaling 12.35kW. This actually worked out very well, because I was able to optimize my design further by ensuring:

     

    • no panels on the least-efficient north-facing roof plane,
    • ~50% of panels could fit on my most-productive south facing roof plane, and
    • No panels on a west facing roof plane that gets significant afternoon shade.

     

    Effectively, I was able to achieve a shade-free install. This is important because of something I haven’t mentioned yet — inverters. Tesla’s system uses string inverters, which makes many installers and well-meaning friends fall over themselves to tell you how micro-inverters are so much better. This is certainly important when shade is a factor, but my install was blessed in that regard. Yet another rabbit hole I would like to avoid going down, but I thought I’d mention it for clarity.

     

    Here is an annotated picture of the electrical part of the system:

     

    Outside Tesla Powerwall.jpg

     

     

    This layout does not reflect what most Tesla systems would look like if installed today in other locales. The separate inverter and gateway boxes now live in a tidy integrated module above the PW proper, in a configuration called the PowerWall +. Also, where allowed, Tesla is using a so-called backup switch. This allows a much simpler and cleaner install, as shown on this page.

     

    As the lead electrician told me, as we were going over the system at the end of day 2, my utility AE (Austin Energy) is apparently very old-school, so requires everything (inverters, gateway, powerwalls) to be broken out, and each protected by emergency shutoff toggle switches. They also use the quite uncommon VOS (value of solar) metering method, as opposed to the almost ubiquitous NEM (Net Metering) method. This requires the installation of a PV meter that measures production from the solar panels. The cutout for this is shown in the annotated picture. The PV meter will go in during (or after?) inspection.

     

     

    How Energy FLows - Quick Orientation

     

    One benefit of AE’s old-school installation requirements is that it allows you to easily visualize the way the system works.

     

    Starting at the far right, you see the ingress of the grid through the main meter. This used to feed my 200A main house panel directly, via the dashed green arrow. This path is now gone. Instead the grid now feeds into, and is one of the inputs to, the brains of the system, the Gateway. This is shown by the orange arrow.

     

    Also feeding the Gateway is a feed from the solar panels. The DC energy from the panels flows down from the roof through the conduits leading to the 2 Inverters (marked INV in the picture). These Inverters then feed AC through AE’s PV meter to the Gateway (blue arrow).

     

    Finally, the 3 PowerWalls, mounted in a line (marked PW) on the left end of the picture, feed AC to the Gateway (note: PW’s have built-in inverters) via the red arrow.

     

    Energy to the main house panel is now fed by the Gateway. Based on demand, instantaneous PV production, and policy settings selected by the user, the Gateway feeds a combination of panel, battery, and grid power to the panel. This is important to remember as we get to the next section on audio considerations.

     

    Also relevant to the audio considerations are two further points. First, as required by AE, the techs also installed a new ground rod during install. My house is of recent construction (built 2000), and had existing grounding in the slab and cold water pipes. This new ground rod (don’t know the gauge, should have asked) goes down about 6 feet. Don’t laugh, I live in the hills of NW Austin, and am basically sitting on a piece of rock. I was actually surprised they got 6 feet deep before hitting rock! Does this grounding improve/degrade sound quality (SQ)? Impossible to say, as I couldn’t do a controlled listening test.

     

    Finally, you can see the 6AWG cable (labelled 6AWG Dedicated Circuit), that I specially sourced from Jim Weil of Sound Application a couple of years ago, running straight down from the main panel and going into the house. That’s because my listening room is right behind the exterior wall shown.

     

     

    Audio Considerations

     

    Finally, we get to the good stuff, I hear you saying! Did you even think about how this would affect your audio SQ?!

     

    Yes, I certainly did. All the time I was waiting for the install, I was in two minds as to which way to go. I knew my dedicated audio circuit provides a huge improvement in SQ, as I described in a forum post at the time.

     

    I could ask the install crew to put my audio dedicated circuit on a bypass panel (only connected to the grid). Or I could take a leap, and see how my SQ changed with solar panels and Powerwalls. I decided to take the leap.

     

    But I needed a listening test during install to know if I’d made a horrible mistake! My rationale was as follows. The biggest concern was whether the Gateway in the path for grid power caused a big degradation in SQ. Here’s why. Even if I found solar panel power through the inverters, or battery power from the Powerwalls to sound like crap, I could always finesse the Gateway to feed only grid power to my system during listening sessions. This is a simple matter of configuration with the Tesla app.

     

    But if grid power, routed through the Gateway, sounded significantly worse than the way it used to when directly connected, this was an irreversible problem. Having decided to take the leap, I needed to know quickly if I’d made a mistake, preferably during the install. This way, if I needed to bypass the audio circuit, I could negotiate something with the electricians while on site.

     

     

    Listening Experiment to Evaluate Gateway Impact

     

    Tesla App.jpgThis was not an ideal A/B test. It involved listening to A and B about 6 hours apart. Moreover, listening test A occurred at 8am, a wholly uncivilized time of day when I’m normally never awake (I’m a night owl). Yet I did this all for you, dear reader!

     

    Baseline (A): Before AE’s truck rolled in to disconnect power, I listened to my go-to test tracks on my system with the grid directly attached to the main panel, as I was used to.

     

    Comparison (B): 6 hours later, after the grid input had been rerouted to the Gateway, and the Gateway feeding my main panel, AE’s techs turned the power back on. At this point, the Gateway could only feed grid power to the panel, as neither the solar panels nor the batteries were even connected. Still, this path included all the additional wire, connections, breakers, relays etc that could contribute to a degradation in SQ.

     

    Result: Well, thank GOODNESS, I could detect no loss of SQ. I admit, a weight lifted off my shoulders, revealing how worried I was about the alternative! Obviously, these tests were conducted about 6 hours apart, but I know my system’s sound so well now, I would have immediately noticed a catastrophic SQ loss. Does this mean I would know if there was a slight SQ loss (1%? 5%? 10%?) I really couldn’t say. To be honest, I was really only concerned with a catastrophic drop in SQ, as a Stereophile reviewer reported earlier this year when he put in a backup generator with a transfer switch.

     

     

     

     

    Conclusion

     

    This is where things stand today, a few days after the install. My house is still powered by the grid, until Tesla crosses a couple more hurdles with the utility, AE.

     

    I am relieved that based on my listening test above, the sonic penalty for allowing my dedicated audio circuit to be fed by the Tesla Gateway is either undetectable or very small. However, it’s still early days, and I’m not making any final pronouncements until I’ve lived with my system for a while!

     

     

    Coming Next

     

    In my next article, I expect to give an update on how things are going with the system. More specifically, I hope to report on the relative SQ (via listening tests) of solar panels, batteries, and the grid. Once my system is fully operational, I will be able to conduct a full comparison test, during a sunny day with plentiful panel production. I will configure the system in 3 ways, so that my house is receiving power from each of these in turn:

     

    • solar panels -> inverters -> gateway -> main panel -> dedicated audio circuit,
    • Powerwalls (builtin inverters) -> gateway -> main panel -> dedicated audio circuit, and
    • grid -> gateway -> main panel -> dedicated audio circuit.

     

    The results ought to be very interesting. Stay tuned.

     

     

    My Listening Setup

     

    Here is a diagram of my listening setup.

     

    Austinpop System.jpg

     

     

     

    Primary System

     

    Music Computer:          Taiko Audio SGM Extreme Music Server, Taiko USB upgrade

    Headphone Amplifier:  Cavalli Liquid Gold

    Headphones:                 Meze Empyrean, Abyss AB-1266 CC, Sennheiser HD800 (SD mod)

    DAC:                                Chord DAVE

    USB to dual-SPDIF:       Audiowise SRC-DX bridge

    Ethernet Switches:        SOtM sNH-10G, Uptone EtherREGEN, Buffalo BS-GS2016 (modded for LPS)

    Power supplies:             Paul Hynes SR7MR3DRXL (dual regulation, 3-rail)  for switches

                                            Sean Jacobs DC-3 for DAVE

    Power Details:                Dedicated 30A 6AWG AC circuit, Sound Application TT-7 Reference Power Conditioner

    Power Cables:               Sablon King (wall to TT-7), Sablon Prince (Extreme),   Cardas Clear Beyond (DC-3, SR-7),

                                             Cardas Clear for all other components

    USB cables:                   Sablon Reserva 2020 USB

    BNC cables:                   High Fidelity Cables CT-2 in Schroeder config, JSSG360’d (DIY)

    Ethernet cables:            Sablon 2020, SOtM dCBL-Cat7, Supra Cat 8

    DC cables:                      Neotech OCC (DC-3), Paul Hynes fine silver (SR-7)

    Interconnects:               Cardas Clear XLR balanced

    Headphone cables:       Transparent Ultra cable system

    Accessories:                  Synergistic Research Tranquility Base XL UEF with Galileo MPC, Synergistic Research MiG 2.0 footers

                                            Taiko Audio Daiza Isolation Platforms

     

     

    Acknowledgments

     

    Many thanks to the following companies for supplying cables and accessories to aid in this evaluation:

    • Cardas Audio, for a full loom of Cardas Clear cables.
    • Transparent Audio, for the Transparent Ultra headphone cable with a full complement of headphones leads and source terminators.

     

     

    About the Author

     

    Rajiv Arora — a.k.a. @austinpop — is both a computer geek and a lifelong audiophile. He doesn’t work much, but when he does, it’s as a consultant in the computer industry. Having retired from a corporate career as a researcher, technologist and executive, he now combines his passion for music and audio gear with his computer skills and his love of writing to author reviews and articles about high-end audio.

     

    He  has "a special set of skills" that help him bring technical perspective to the audio hobby. No, they do not involve kicking criminal ass in exotic foreign locales! Starting with his Ph.D. research on computer networks, and extending over his professional career, his area of expertise is the performance and scalability of distributed computing systems. Tuning and optimization are in his blood. He is guided by the scientific method and robust experimental design. That said, he trusts his ears, and how a system or component sounds is always the final determinant in his findings. He does not need every audio effect to be measurable, as long as it is consistently audible.

     

    Finally, he believes in integrity, honesty, civility and community, and this is what he strives to bring to every interaction, both as an author and as a forum contributor.

     

     

     




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    15 hours ago, vortecjr said:

    Maybe the system is using it?

     

    I've tried the obvious things.  Will let you know what I find.

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    23 hours ago, astrotoy said:

    However, I could not hear any effect on my audio system either time.

     

    53 minutes ago, beetlemania said:

    Never once thought about how the system might affect the sonics of my audio system.

     

    That's good, and my hope is to find little to differentiate SQ-wise between the 3 sources of power: grid, PV, and battery. However, it will be good to confirm this in  a controlled manner.

     

    For those with existing systems, see if you can easily flip between panels and grid (and battery, if you have it), either using software control, or flipping breakers. If so, you can do the comparison with very short delays between modes.

     

    I'm curious to hear what your find.

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    4 hours ago, Jud said:

    "... The house is very tight: During spring winds that can reach 60 mph out of a clear sky, if you weren’t looking outside you wouldn’t notice...

     

     

     

    I assume it is dry there...At least one house in my neighborhood was 0-valued due to mold and another two doors down had the same issue but caught in time.  The closer neighbor mentioned they had to open the house up a bit to breathe.

     

    Sorry for the off  topic...

     

    chris

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    On 11/2/2021 at 11:28 AM, AudioDoctor said:

    The MN Winters are exactly why I insist on having a wood burning fireplace in my house. Sure it's nice and cozy to sit around in the winter, but the worst case scenario we have heat.

    A a big increase is coming this winter for natural gas  - which is great cuz it doesn't get cold here 🙄

    https://www.kare11.com/article/weather/heating-costs-expected-to-skyrocket-this-winter/89-7909e445-ea65-47e0-8ce4-8c92c499ecb1

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    I eagerly await your next report. I’m hoping the inverters don’t put garbage on the AC line. Not just for audio’s sake, but also RF communications. I’m hoping to put up a modest ham antenna in retirement. New sunspot cycle and all that. It would be of great interest to me if you could check weak AM radio signals before & after!

     

    Very good info so far. Thanks!

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    2 hours ago, jcbenten said:

    I assume it is dry there...At least one house in my neighborhood was 0-valued due to mold and another two doors down had the same issue but caught in time.  The closer neighbor mentioned they had to open the house up a bit to breathe.

     

    Sorry for the off  topic...

     

    chris


    Typical humidity is around 15%. But vapor barriers are utilized where appropriate, and I noted the air exchange system earlier.

     

    Rather than impose on @austinpop’s very interesting thread any further, may I suggest anyone interested start a thread in the Off Topic section or send me a private message?

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    I am sitting here thinking about this. We have been thinking about putting solar panels on the roof for a while now, and I was thinking why not put the house on the solar circuit, and use another dedicated circuit for the audio system and separate the two? Then, while not being able to listen to music during a power outage, you wouldn't have any potential sound quality issues to worry about either.

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    1 minute ago, AudioDoctor said:

    I am sitting here thinking about this. We have been thinking about putting solar panels on the roof for a while now, and I was thinking why not put the house on the solar circuit, and use another dedicated circuit for the audio system and separate the two? Then, while not being able to listen to music during a power outage, you wouldn't have any potential sound quality issues to worry about either.


    I can’t see the switch that flips from grid to solar during an outage causing audio issues, unless you’re Michael Fremer. If the power goes out, listening to music is a nice way to pass the time.

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    6 minutes ago, Jud said:


    I can’t see the switch that flips from grid to solar during an outage causing audio issues, unless you’re Michael Fremer. If the power goes out, listening to music is a nice way to pass the time.

     

    I am spitballing ideas here, but it seems to me that separating the two would be the best of both worlds. Additionally, unless you are getting enough energy to refill your batteries every day, then during a power outage I think being smart about power usage would be a good idea as storms get crazier and times to fix damage gets longer. A Class A Pass Amp, even if its the smallest one, would probably drain batteries in no time. But for that brief glorious amount of time, we would also be warm...

     

    edit: Here in the frozen north, on even a sunny winter day, we probably wouldn't get enough sunlight to refill batteries every day, as our amount of sunshine is very limited that time of the year.

     

    edit 2: I have a personal weather station in my backyard that has a battery recharged by a small solar panel in it, I already know how much solar energy I would get, approximately, through the day and I can also see that amount dropping significantly already.

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    6 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

     

    I am spitballing ideas here, but it seems to me that separating the two would be the best of both worlds. Additionally, unless you are getting enough energy to refill your batteries every day, then during a power outage I think being smart about power usage would be a good idea as storms get crazier and times to fix damage gets longer. A Class A Pass Amp, even if its the smallest one, would probably drain batteries in no time. But for that brief glorious amount of time, we would also be warm...

     

    edit: Here in the frozen north, on even a sunny winter day, we probably wouldn't get enough sunlight to refill batteries every day, as our amount of sunshine is very limited that time of the year.

     

    edit 2: I have a personal weather station in my backyard that has a battery recharged by a small solar panel in it, I already know how much solar energy I would get, approximately, through the day and I can also see that amount dropping significantly already.


    Moar panels! Moar power! 😉

     

    This seems to me like a great argument for a set of really good Class D monoblocks. I love Pass but have also heard Class D sounding terrific.

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    1 minute ago, Jud said:


    Moar panels! Moar power! 😉

     

    This seems to me like a great argument for a set of really good Class D monoblocks. I love Pass but have also heard Class D sounding terrific.

     

    I would love to be able to fit more panels, but that would mean cutting down the big beautiful trees that call our backyard home. Both my wife and I don't want to do that as it seems a little counter productive.

     

    Allegedly the new Marantz Model 30, which while having a discrete (HDAM) front end, has a Class D Hypex module output, and sounds wonderful... I have not heard one personally, though.

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    12 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

     

    I would love to be able to fit more panels, but that would mean cutting down the big beautiful trees that call our backyard home. Both my wife and I don't want to do that as it seems a little counter productive.


    Purely joking.

     

    12 minutes ago, AudioDoctor said:

    Allegedly the new Marantz Model 30, which while having a discrete (HDAM) front end, has a Class D Hypex module output, and sounds wonderful... I have not heard one personally, though.

     

    Was thinking along the lines of Purifi from someone like Nord - would probably be cheaper and might sound better.

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    2 hours ago, Mike Rubin said:

    Of course, YMMV, but I wasn't surprised at AustinPop's conclusion that he could live with the solar panels' noise levels.

     

    Well, I haven't concluded that yet. That is one of the experiments I've got lined up!

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    1 hour ago, AudioDoctor said:

    I am sitting here thinking about this. We have been thinking about putting solar panels on the roof for a while now, and I was thinking why not put the house on the solar circuit, and use another dedicated circuit for the audio system and separate the two? Then, while not being able to listen to music during a power outage, you wouldn't have any potential sound quality issues to worry about either.

     

    Yes, that was the safe option I considered, by putting the audio circuit(s) on a bypass panel that is only powered directly by the grid.

     

    But where's the fun in "safe!" 😎

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    25 minutes ago, austinpop said:

    Some anecdotal posts here have already indicated -- no audible difference. I will see what my listening tests tell me. Perhaps the same. Perhaps better with batteries? Wouldn't that be something!

     

    I excitedly await your thoughts.

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    Hello @austinpopand great article.

     

    I was curious of a few details on the 12kW system you described. Was this figure based on your daily usage and if so did you use your Pre Solar utility bill averaged out over several months or more to come up with this size system for your house?

     

    I'm also curious to know what the expected run time is of the system powering the home after grid power goes out?

     

    I suspect that at some point in the near future I may be considering a full solar setup without grid to power a house I plan to build located deep in the Colorado wilderness. There is grid power available to my 20acre parcel there but based on a recent estimate from the power company it will cost about $20K to pull a line about 700ft onto the property. This is a tough pill to swallow when Solar power potential in that area is very high also. My concerns with a full solar only setup though have always been a big question mark due to this crazy audio hobby of ours. One fear being how big of a system it would take to maintain the usage of my current system without compromises and if that dollar figure would far exceed the cost to just have grid power pulled onto my land.

     

    Anyway, thanks for the write up of your journey, it was interesting to read.

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    1 hour ago, cjf said:

    Hello @austinpopand great article.

     

    I was curious of a few details on the 12kW system you described. Was this figure based on your daily usage and if so did you use your Pre Solar utility bill averaged out over several months or more to come up with this size system for your house?

     

    I'm also curious to know what the expected run time is of the system powering the home after grid power goes out?

     

    All of this is part of the sizing process you would go through when you solicit bids. You can always give the solar contractor just the info they ask for - usually a recent utility statement with usage data. But I would assert that AS members are curious and motivated enough to do their own research.

     

    Check your account info on your utility provider. If it's like mine, they should have usage data for the last 12-24 months. Crunch the data to get at least a rough estimate of:

    1. your ave/max daily consumption in kWh during different periods:
      • in summer when your AC is running the most
      • in winter when your heat is running the most
      • in spring/fall, when neither is, when you should have the least daily consumption.
    2. your average annual consumption in kWh. You can use this to compare against solar designs, as all such designs will give you an estimated annual solar production.
    3. your average monthly electric bill. 

    These data can help you - both with ROI/break-even analysis of cost, as well as sizing:

    • for example, how does your battery capacity match your average daily consumption? This will give you an estimate of your outage resilience.

    A local solar contractor will customize a bid for your situation, and you can iterate. Tesla, to keep costs low, offers systems only in 4 fixed sizes: 4.25kW, 8.5kW, 12.75kW, and 17kW. Although even that isn't strictly true, as it is possible to pick a size and then ask for additional panels. The more you educate yourself, the better prepared you will be. Well, obviously!

     

    1 hour ago, cjf said:

    I suspect that at some point in the near future I may be considering a full solar setup without grid to power a house I plan to build located deep in the Colorado wilderness. There is grid power available to my 20acre parcel there but based on a recent estimate from the power company it will cost about $20K to pull a line about 700ft onto the property. This is a tough pill to swallow when Solar power potential in that area is very high also. My concerns with a full solar only setup though have always been a big question mark due to this crazy audio hobby of ours. One fear being how big of a system it would take to maintain the usage of my current system without compromises and if that dollar figure would far exceed the cost to just have grid power pulled onto my land.

     

     

     

    Nice!

     

    What you're suggesting is an off-grid installation, and there are different considerations for these. On the one hand, not having to satisfy a utility about the size and design of your system is liberating. However, you also have to be more resilient - there is no grid to supply energy if your panels aren't producing in the dark of winter, and your batteries are depleted. I don't claim to know how to size this, so it's worth researching off-grid systems. You will also want to have a generator as an alternate source of power for complete resilience.

     

    Whether or not this power is clean enough for audio is definitely a question. I worry most about the generator.

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    Final phase of audio sq evaluation - earthing the sun?

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    10 hours ago, cjf said:

    Hello @austinpopand great article.

     

    I was curious of a few details on the 12kW system you described. Was this figure based on your daily usage and if so did you use your Pre Solar utility bill averaged out over several months or more to come up with this size system for your house?

     

    I'm also curious to know what the expected run time is of the system powering the home after grid power goes out?

     

    I suspect that at some point in the near future I may be considering a full solar setup without grid to power a house I plan to build located deep in the Colorado wilderness. There is grid power available to my 20acre parcel there but based on a recent estimate from the power company it will cost about $20K to pull a line about 700ft onto the property. This is a tough pill to swallow when Solar power potential in that area is very high also. My concerns with a full solar only setup though have always been a big question mark due to this crazy audio hobby of ours. One fear being how big of a system it would take to maintain the usage of my current system without compromises and if that dollar figure would far exceed the cost to just have grid power pulled onto my land.

     

    Anyway, thanks for the write up of your journey, it was interesting to read.

     

    About 5-6 years ago, prior to the Powerwall/battery storage units came out,  I met with a couple of the solar providers during an open house of my electric co-op.  Since I am on propane for heat, I only really use electric for the AC and appliances (dryer is electric), they targeted 100% for winter/cooler month and 50-60% of the summer months.  Their reasoning is not to over generate because the utility buys back at wholesale costs (~$0.03) vs the my cost (~$0.11) and the goal was to minimize capital costs.  

     

    Now I think the economics have changed due to the rise of the battery storage and the cost of going down like we did during the storm last winter (notifications for cost increases have gone out to the consumer) and due to utilities shutting down coal/gas plants to use solar and wind. I would target 100% generation and a week of storage.  If I could talk my wife into it, I would do solar and a couple of wind hydrofoils and battery packs.  Oh, and a hybrid F150 with 7KW powerpack.

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