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    Streaming & Local Content Through HQPlayer - A Nice Alternative With The sonicTransporter

     

     

    Many of us have enjoyed HQPlayer's digital signal processing over the years, but have been less than satisfied with the remote control options. Fairly recent remote options named HQPDcontrol v4 and HQPWV (HQPlayer Web Viewer) have made and continue to make great strides. I use both of these options frequently and love to see the developers interacting with the Audiophile Style community to make each product even better. Perhaps some day they'll charge for their apps, and we can all show our appreciation by throwing some money their way. 

     

    Audiophiles who only play local content from a hard drive can certainly use the aforementioned apps and call it a day. HQPlayer will scan their libraries and the remote apps will enable really nice library browsing and song selection. However, many of us also stream from Qobuz and Tidal. To date, there is no way to add a streaming service to HQPlayer or one of the remote applications. What's an audiophile to do? The answer lies in a combination of UPnP/DLNA and HQPLayer Embedded.

     

    Note: Some people will undoubtedly suggest, "just use Roon." Well, that's one option but it presumes that everyone wants to use Roon. That's an incorrect presumption, as no single product offers a solution for every listener. 

     


    Options

     

    There are many ways to accomplish almost everything in HiFi. I tried several potential solutions when researching this article and settled on one that is the easiest, offers support for any issues that may arise, and is a solution I'd actually use every day. I'll attempt to detail both the recommended solution and some of the stuff I tried over the last several weeks. This will enable readers to make their own decisions and understand why I recommend what I recommend and if they wish to tackle some of the hands-on issues with the other solutions. 

     

    Goals

    1. Streaming content from Qobuz, Tidal, and local files from NAS or hard drive through HQPlayer. 
    2. A nice looking and very usable interface for remote control.
    3. Simplicity in setup and daily use. 

     


    Recommended Solution

     

    Playing local content through HQPlayer is a simple task, but to route Qobuz and Tidal through HQP requires a little different setup. Trust me it's very easy and doesn't require jumping though unsupported hoops. The first requirement is using HQPlayer embedded because it can receive audio via UPnP/DLNA as an input. HQPlayer Desktop doesn't have this option and will not work. In order to send audio via UPnP/DLNA to HQPlayer Embedded we need a UPnP/DLNA server and a UPnP/DLNA control point. 

     

    The Small Green Computer sonicTransporter is my recommended solution because it accomplishes the above goals by combining both HQPlayer Embedded and MinimServer as the UPnP/DLNA server into a single component. Rounding out my recommendations is the forthcoming UPnP/DLNA control point application JPLAY for iOS. 

     

    The SGC sonicTransporter starts at $999 and gets reasonably more expensive as one increases processing horsepower, network isolation, and solid state storage. The specific version I used for this article is the $3,499 sonicTransporter i9 Optical with a 4TB SSD. When the Transporter arrived I and installed HQPlayer Embedded and MinimServer with a couple clicks of the mouse. Both are options, among several others, accessed via the web interface. I also copied a few terabytes of music to the internal Transporter SSD, then proceeded to setup HQPlayer and direct MinimServer to the local SSD to scan the music. 

     

     

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    Outputting audio to my DAC was done two different ways. I connected a USB DAC directly to the USB output of the Transporter as a test, to make sure it worked for those who wish to go this route. It worked perfectly. Most of my testing was done using the Sonore signatureRendu SE optical as an HQPlayer NAA endpoint. I connected both the Rendu and Transporter to my network switch via fiber optic cables. I'm not a fan of connecting the Rendu directly to the Transporter via fiber cable because of potential multi-homed network issues, but I know many audiophiles who set it up via direct connection and love it. No judgement here, I just prefer one way over the other. 

     

    Other than the standard HQPlayer setup, selecting filters and an output device, nothing needs to be done with respect to selecting an input. HQPlayer Embedded automatically advertises itself as a UPnP/DLNA renderer and accepts audio via UPnP/DLNA whenever it's sent. The only thing to do once HQPe and MinimServer are setup is to select a UPnP/DLNA control point. 

     

    JPLAY for iOS is easily the best control point app I've used to date. JPLAY for iOS combines Qobuz, Tidal, and local content in a single interface in addition to offering excellent features such as album info and artist bios, links within the app to other content from each artist, record label filters (think displaying only ECM content etc...), among many others I've yet to discover on my own. Searching each streaming service and local content can be done individually or combined into a single search. The user interface is beautiful and very easy to use. One of the extremely audiophile features in this app is the ability to adjust what's called polling time. This can be set to a maximum level, so once albums/tracks are selected for playback, the app is completely silent. It doesn't send any network traffic to the server or renderer. 

     

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    This combination of HQPlayer Embedded & MinimServer on the sonicTransporter and JPLAY for iOS on my iPad Pro is fantastic. There are certainly some issues to be worked out in the JPLAY control point app, but it's still in closed beta. Using the JPLAY app on iOS to send audio to other renderers in my system was flawless. For example, I set an opticalRendu into DLNA mode and used the same MinimServer install on the sonicTransporter with great success. I think the little issues revolve around HQPlayer Embedded's use of Rygel as the UPnP/DLNA rendering software and its interaction with the JPLAY for iOS app. 

     

    As a temporary solution, until JPLAY for iOS is released, listeners can use the mconnect app as a control point. I don't wish this on my worst enemy, but many people use it and are OK with it. Some people use one of the HQP apps such as HQPDcontrol v4 or HQPWV for local content, then switch to mconnect for streaming audio only. This is an option, but it seems so primitive. Like something we'd do in 1998 :~)

     


    Possible Showstopper

     

    One issue that may be a showstopper for people is inconsistency of gapless playback. No matter what people say about gapless playback and the control point being what determines whether or not gapless audio works, my research definitively indicates gapless playback depends on the interaction between the control point, server, and renderer. All three matter. This gapless issue isn't unfixable though. Simon from MinimServer asked me to send him some logs because he has an idea about hat may be causing this issue. Hopefully this can be resolved. 

     


    Bits and Bytes I Tried

     

    The gapless issue mentioned above is what caused me the most headaches. Not because I listen to a ton of music that requires gapless playback, but because I wanted to find a solution to the issue. Here are some of the solutions I tried and what I found. 

     

    I installed Ubuntu 20.04 on my CAPS Twenty computer, then installed HQPlayer Embedded and MinimSever manually. This enabled me to connect to the server and test many things via command line. No matter what I did, I couldn't get gapless working with HQPe and MinimServer on this install either. I also put HQP OS on this machine and Minim on my NAS, but the results were the same. 

     

    One benefit of running Ubuntu 20.04, with a manual install of the apps, is that I could install the NVIDIA drivers for CUDA offload within HQP. 

     

    On my Ubuntu 20.04 installation I also tried Asset UPnP and MiniDLNA as UPnP/DLNA servers. I couldn't connect to Asset via the JPLAY iOS app, but was able to get with mconnect. Gapless didn't work with Asset and HQPe whether on the same machine or split with Asset running on my NAS. Surprisingly, MiniDLNA worked every time. Yes gapless audio from MiniDLNA (version 1.3 with DSD enabled), sending the audio to HQPe and JPLAY as the control point worked great. However, MiniDLNA server was terrible on all other respects such as speed, album art, search, etc... I suggest this solution only to the most hardcore gapless fans. 

     

    Another interesting solution was using the built-in QNAP DLNA server. This surprised me even more than MiniDLNA because it was also gapless. Using JPLAY on iOS to select audio on my QNAP NAS running the built-in Multimedia Console and streaming add-on, and sending it to HQPe, worked every time. Unfortunately, I don't even recommend this as a solution for gapless freaks. The usability with any control app I tried was horrific. 

     

    Attempting to outsmart myself, I installed BubbleUPnP on the sonicTransporter (it's one of the easily installable options), because Bubble makes a UPnP/DLNA renderer into an OpenHome renderer. I thought this may be the solution to my gapless issue and be an awesome all-in-one (HQPe, MinimSever, BubbleUPnP all on the sonicTransporter). Nope. No gapless in this configuration either. One nice part about this was that I could test the Lumin and Linn Kazoo apps for control, but neither of them gave me gapless either. 

     


    Wrap Up

    Running both streaming and local content through HQPlayer using UPnP/DNA as an alternative to Roon is definitely doable. I've been doing it for weeks and really like it. The easiest and best way to do this for most audiophiles is to use a Small Green Computer sonicTransporter. The Transporter can house both MinimServer and HQPlayer Embedded on a single box, and SGC can provide support if people run into issues along the way. I've known SCG's founder Andrew Gillis for many years and can attest to his knowledge, skills, and customer service. He knows what he is doing and works hard to make sure his customers are satisfied. 

     

    I'll send back the sonicTransporter i9 Optical in the next day or so because the last thing I need around here is another server. If I didn't have CAPS Twenty, I'd buy the transporter in a heartbeat. The i9 ran HQPlayer upsampling to DSD256 using poly sync short MP filters, the ASDM7EC modulator, and 65,000 tap convolution filters without a hiccup. This little machine is much more powerful than it appears and it looks much better in person than in photos. 

     

    Given that I have CPS Twenty, I am running HQP OS on the NVMe drive, MinimServer 2 on my QNAP NAS, and the JPLAY iOS control point on my iPad Pro. This is a slick solution. I can update HQP OS by booting from the other NVMe into Windows, and using Balena Etcher to write the latest version of HQP OS to the HQP OS NVMe drive. Then I reboot and I'm all good. 

     

    I highly recommend the sonicTransporter for everyone who has no interest in installing an operating system or writing an image to a USB/SSD drive.  The transporter is just so simple and works so well. It's a no-brainer. 


     

     

     

    More info:

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    1 hour ago, Rovo said:

    Hello Chris, 

     

    you are using MinimServer, but is it possible to use JPlay Femto instead to stream to HQPlayer Embedded? So JPlay Femto and the control point application JPLAY for iOS from the same company. Streaming from Qobuz and Tidal and playing local content. Or am I overlooking something?

     

    Robert

     

    Hi Robert, that certainly is another great way to do this. I haven’t tried it yet because Femto is Windows only and that would require an additional PC in this setup. I will try it though. I have plenty of PCs :~)

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    5 hours ago, So great said:

    Why I couldn't find Jplay in app store from iphone or ipad? Did it release?

    It isn’t released yet. 

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    10 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Update Daphile for the ZeroTier vulnerability. 

     

     

    My Daphile is behind 2 firewalls, one on my router another is a updated linux box. I never stream my music when away from home.

     

    I am very particular that way.

     

    I will look into it.

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    12 hours ago, bibo01 said:

    Thanks.

    I hope @stefano_mbp intervenes in this discussion because he also had a lot of experience in Embedded/MinimServer/gapless, contacting both developers about it and son on...

     

    Hopefully it would be more friendly, never mind more informative, than one of their last 'discussions' on the subject:

     

    Unless things have changed since @Miska mentioned anything to me on the subject (~ 3 years ago), HQPe implements its own gapless support method for UPnP by sending the notice of the end of current track playing to the UPnP control point about one second before it actually happens:

     

    Bear in mind, this is the UPnP mode of operation that doesn't support gapless playback as far as UPnP is concerned, since if the timing of the end of current track playing notification wasn't 'faked' by HQPe, there would be no time to implement gapless playback. HQPe is relying on that ~1s to be enough time for both the UPnP control point (on receiving the end of current track playing notification) to tell HQPe where to fetch the next track from and for at least some of the next track's data to arrive at HQPe following the subsequent request for that next track by HQPe to the UPnP media server. It appears that the MinimServer UPnP media server isn't quick enough. 

     

     

    BTW, @bibo01, wasn't it you that mentioned that you were able to get HQPe to play gapless with LMS via the UPnP/DLNA Bridge LMS plugin?

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    Hello Chris, 

     

    plenty of PC's, hmmm sounds familiar 😀

     

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    I would definitely be interested to know if a setup with JPlay Femto and JPlay for iOS (streaming to HQPlayer Embedded!) replacing Roon will give a better sound quality. Perhaps Marcin can comment. JPlay for iOS is not yet available otherwise I could do the testing myself (enough PC's). 

     

    Robert

     

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    15 hours ago, Cebolla said:

    The iPeng app is supposed to be the go to controller for LMS on iOS - no idea if the Music & Artist Information LMS plugin works with it though, as I only have Android handheld devices.

     

    Fortunately, for those of us using Android, the Material Skin plugin's developer has also provided a webview wrapper app for a seamless web browser controller:

    https://github.com/CDrummond/lms-material-app/releases

     

     

    I like iPeng on my iPad Pro (1st Gen) much more than any LMS app on my Pixel 2 XL.  I have since switched to iPhone.  Orangesqueeze was ok but always slower to connect than iPeng. 

     

     (Something in my system changed and Android control stopped working and the USB out of my Touch stopped working.  Spent a couple of hours resetting and no go.  Currently i have connected the Touch analog outs to my amp...need to check and see if the coax is working.  I do note that the developer of QLMS has not updated in almost 18 months.)

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    1 hour ago, jcbenten said:

    I like iPeng on my iPad Pro (1st Gen) much more than any LMS app on my Pixel 2 XL.  I have since switched to iPhone.  Orangesqueeze was ok but always slower to connect than iPeng.

     

    Have you also tried the lms_material_app I linked to (& therefore the web browser controller UI provided by the Material Skin 3rd Party LMS plugin) on your Android phone?

     

     

    1 hour ago, jcbenten said:

    (Something in my system changed and Android control stopped working and the USB out of my Touch stopped working.  Spent a couple of hours resetting and no go.  Currently i have connected the Touch analog outs to my amp...need to check and see if the coax is working.  I do note that the developer of QLMS has not updated in almost 18 months.)

     

    QLMS may not need updating if it's still able to install/update the QNAP with the latest official release of LMS. Having said that its developer did recently mention looking at rejigging the way QLMS updates the QNAP with LMS, regarding the nightly development, the nightly stable & the latest official release versions (currently 8.3.0, 8.2.1 and 8.2.0 respectively) - QLMS appears to be updating the QNAP with the (potentially) unstable nightly development version of LMS by default:

    https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?108702-QLogitechMediaServer-for-Qnap-with-QTS-4-2-or-higher-and-x86_64-I686-X86-support-!&p=1031761&viewfull=1#post1031761

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    Nice article. What’s the ETA on jplay app?

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    This is the post I was waiting for. HQP + control + Tidal, thanks!

     

     I don’t suppose I could do things with a microRendu?

     

     Thanks again 

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    1 minute ago, zkeller said:

    This is the post I was waiting for. HQP + control + Tidal, thanks!

     

     I don’t suppose I could do things with a microRendu?

     

     Thanks again 

    You certainly can use a microRendu. 

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    Great. So HQPe, MinimServer and Bubble on the microRendu. Just need to wait for JPlay?

     

     Thanks for this excellent research 

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    5 hours ago, Cebolla said:

    It appears that the MinimServer UPnP media server isn't quick enough. 

     

    Another thing to note is that when HQPlayer makes GET request to the UPnP server, it fetches about 10 seconds worth of audio to pre-buffer. This should fit well within one second time window with current 1, 2.5 or 10 Gbps networks.

     

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    17 minutes ago, zkeller said:

    Great. So HQPe, MinimServer and Bubble on the microRendu. Just need to wait for JPlay?

     

     Thanks for this excellent research 

    They can’t all go on the Rendu. 

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    Chris, for those of us who have invested in HQP Desktop, rather than HQPe, is there a way to make this all work?  I’m a happy Roon guy but always like to try something different. Thanks. JCR 

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    27 minutes ago, jrobbins50 said:

    Chris, for those of us who have invested in HQP Desktop, rather than HQPe, is there a way to make this all work?  I’m a happy Roon guy but always like to try something different. Thanks. JCR 

    Nope :~(

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    8 hours ago, Cebolla said:

    BTW, @bibo01, wasn't it you that mentioned that you were able to get HQPe to play gapless with LMS via the UPnP/DLNA Bridge LMS plugin?

    Guilty as charged! ;)

    Actually, Miska said that Embedded can do gapless even when the option in the plug-in is not on, especially if the plug-in acts up.

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    18 hours ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    It isn’t released yet. 

    How a great sofeware it is, I really wish it can be released as soon as possible. It's going to solve my problem that I don't want to use roon due to it's too complex from one or two endpoint system. But I love the roon's metadate about music stuff like CD coverage, Singer, etc. So do you know when do the Jplay ios app will be release. Thank u very much.

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    On 9/22/2021 at 4:23 PM, Rovo said:

    Hello Chris, 

     

    plenty of PC's, hmmm sounds familiar 😀

     

    IMG_20210922_161155.thumb.jpg.a5e7e12ecee49c5ea92fe05852fb58c4.jpg

     

    I would definitely be interested to know if a setup with JPlay Femto and JPlay for iOS (streaming to HQPlayer Embedded!) replacing Roon will give a better sound quality. Perhaps Marcin can comment. JPlay for iOS is not yet available otherwise I could do the testing myself (enough PC's). 

     

    Robert

     

    I will copy&paste reply I wrote on jplay forum:

     

    JPLAY iOS app will work with JPLAY FEMTO or HQplayer Embedded which also can act as UPnP renderer.

     

    The app won't work with Roon even with hqplayer on top

     

    Best regards, 

    Marcin

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    23 hours ago, jvvita said:

    Nice article. What’s the ETA on jplay app?

    There are still some minor bugs to fix, but otherwise I think we reached MVP and the app will be released later this year. 

     

    Regards, 

    Marcin

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    First an apology for the following incomplete information, but I'm going by memory

     

    I tried HQPlayer at one point embedded in Euphony.

     

    1. it did not have all of the features of the desktop version. I believe it did not support convolution, but again, going from memory so not 100% on that
    2. it required paying for another license. It was not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but at least at that point your desktop license would not enable an embedded version

     

     

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    I'm doing test right now with Volumio on a Raspberry Pi 4 running its DLNA server plugin, that uses MiniDLNA. I set it to scan my NAS. Using the JPLAY iOS app and HQPe as the renderer it's gapless so far. 

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    1 hour ago, bbosler said:

    First an apology for the following incomplete information, but I'm going by memory

     

    I tried HQPlayer at one point embedded in Euphony.

     

    1. it did not have all of the features of the desktop version. I believe it did not support convolution, but again, going from memory so not 100% on that
    2. it required paying for another license. It was not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things, but at least at that point your desktop license would not enable an embedded version

     

     

    Embedded on Euphony supports convolution. 

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    11 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

    Embedded on Euphony supports convolution. 

     

    OK, then that's an update since I tried it last February. At that time you could set Euphony as an HQP NAA endpoint and use the desktop version of HQP to get full function, but the embedded version did not support convolution which Jussi confirmed at that time when I asked about convolution"You should be using HQPlayer's web interface, not Euphony's limited subset..."

     

    Good to know for the Euphony/HQP users

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    1 minute ago, bbosler said:

     

    OK, then that's an update since I tried it last February. At that time you could set Euphony as an HQP NAA endpoint and use the desktop version of HQP to get full function, but the embedded version did not support convolution which Jussi confirmed at that time when I asked about convolution"You should be using HQPlayer's web interface, not Euphony's limited subset..."

     

    Good to know for the Euphony/HQP users

    I believe I tried it a few months ago, but I really should double check before asserting this as fact. 

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