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    Roon 1.3 Major Update Coming Today

    This just in. Much more to come.

     

     

    "We're very excited to announce that Roon 1.3 is going live today! This is our most ambitious release ever – in the works for nearly nine months – but we think it's been worth the wait. With new streaming hardware support, audio processing, DSP, file handling, metadata management, and social sharing, there are new features and improvements in almost every area of the product.

     

    We've incorporated hundreds of suggestions from you, and thrown in a few of our own:

     

    "With the 1.3 update, Roon now streams to Sonos devices! This means all the users in a home – with one app and one music collection – can play music to Sonos, Airplay, Squeezebox, Sooloos, and any of over 50 Roon Ready devices available today.

     

    We've added a whole family of audio and DSP features with a 64-bit audio pipeline, including dynamic range analysis, EQ, upsampling, crossfeed for headphones, and adjustments for headroom as well as corrections for speaker phase and delay.

     

     

     

    Roon learns about you as you use it. You create playlists, tags, and groom your collection to be presented just the way you want. Now all of that can be automatically backed up, both locally and to Dropbox. Backups are incremental and configurable, so you can save as much history as you like. Roon users have been talking about their favorite music on our community site, on social networks, and even by texting screenshots from their phones. With 1.3, you can create shareable images about artists, albums, and songs, including all of Roon's metadata and your own comments. Images can be posted directly to Facebook, Twitter, and Imgur, or saved to your device. Starting with a new lightning-fast search, we've improved performance across the board. Audio and database operations are faster, and communication between Core and Remotes is more responsive."

     

     

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    The inability to use already existing m3u playlists created in other software was a deal breaker for me. Once this is confirmed as fixed, I'll go back to taking advantage of my subscription. Until then....

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    The inability to use already existing m3u playlists created in other software was a deal breaker for me. Once this is confirmed as fixed, I'll go back to taking advantage of my subscription. Until then....

     

    Looks like it's there now. Here's a screenshot of my Roon, and it shows the M3U option.

     

    https://kb.roonlabs.com/Importing_playlists

     

     

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    Is it better to upsample in Roon?

     

    Also, how does one read the DR levels? Such as +-3?

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    Chris, do you know a way to be able to see any .pdf's that were imported with albums with Roon now?

     

    Here you go ...

     

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    All the MQA albums I add, I tag as MQA.

     

    Curious to know what steps others have taken to accomplish this, or whether this is the only current solution.

     

    Here is the process I've worked with...

     

    1) In TIDAL > What's New > Albums > Masters:

     

    "Favorite" the MQA album I am interested in, so that in Roon I'll know which version of the album is from the "Masters" category.

     

    2) In Roon > TIDAL > Your Favorites:

     

    Select that album and choose "Add To Library", then choose "Add to Tag", and then tag as "MQA".

     

    3) In Roon > Tags > MQA:

     

    The albums from TIDAL "Masters" category are now all collected together.

     

    BUT ... if you later "Un-Favorite" the "Masters" MQA album in TIDAL, it will disappear from the Roon Library and Tags "MQA".

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    I don't find the EQ to be sonically invisible. I hear very obvious distortion and static sounds with vocals and other instruments. i was only trying to pull down a bass node in my room but i heard obvious distortion across the frequency bands beyond the 42hz range I was affecting.

     

    I turned EQ off.

     

    Try turning on headroom management and set to -2. Worked for me. DSP/EQ can easily push into momentary clipping. Turn on the clipping indicator and monitor. No DSP/EQ is perfect.

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    Tags sort of do what I want, but I was really hoping for an "Album View" option in Playlists (as well as support for nested playlists).

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    Curious to know what steps others have taken to accomplish this, or whether this is the only current solution.

     

    Here is the process I've worked with...

     

    1) In TIDAL > What's New > Albums > Masters:

     

    "Favorite" the MQA album I am interested in, so that in Roon I'll know which version of the album is from the "Masters" category.

     

    2) In Roon > TIDAL > Your Favorites:

     

    Select that album and choose "Add To Library", then choose "Add to Tag", and then tag as "MQA".

     

    3) In Roon > Tags > MQA:

     

    The albums from TIDAL "Masters" category are now all collected together.

     

    BUT ... if you later "Un-Favorite" the "Masters" MQA album in TIDAL, it will disappear from the Roon Library and Tags "MQA".

     

    Yep. that's about it. When I favorite it from Tidal I don't have to add to library in Roon, they already do it. Everything else you stated is how I do it. For now, there all together somewhere. I actually like that Tag icon on the side. I'd rather go there than to the small bookmark icon to find playlists I've created. There seems to be other Tags created from Tidal in that Tag function. I want to erase those and create dedicated Roon playlists if possible.

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    Here you go ...

     

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    Thanks Chris, I didn't see them.

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    Looks like it's there now. Here's a screenshot of my Roon, and it shows the M3U option.

     

    https://kb.roonlabs.com/Importing_playlists

     

     

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    That option existed in the version I downloaded late last year, yet it never imported the playlist. Roon support suggested deleting and re-inserting the playlist files into the folder to jumpstart the import and it never worked. I'll try the new version since my subscription is still valid. Thanks for the information.

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    So far I like it. Hardly any impact on my server too, even with running DSP upsampling rooncore never goes above 13%. Nice being able to see PDF and extra images associated with albums. search function is much faster. The initial reanalysis, of about 30K redbook and 16K hires files, was fished overnight so I never really saw any delay in having everything ready to go. Spend about an hour with the DSP features like DSD and upsampling, it all worked without any delay and zero errors or artifacts. So far I like it much better than using HQPlayer, which always artificially softened the sound. I'll play with it more but so far it's a win for me.

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    So far I like it much better than using HQPlayer, which always artificially softened the sound. I'll play with it more but so far it's a win for me.

     

    That's really nice to hear. I pretty much decided that even though HQP is touted as the "best" the GUI and whole complexity of it turned me off so I would stick with Roon as it's only going to get better. I must say I'm impressed by the up-sampling already with Roon.

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    It finally is giving me multichannel in conjunction with the ExaSound e38 DAC.

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    Loving the new update but when using DSP with all Tidal files (not MQA) they play for few seconds then stop and move on to next track. I'm in the UK too. This doesn't happen if I use DSP on local files. Anyone have any suggestions to help with this?

     

     

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    For some reason mine has become unstable. I found a K.D. Lang/Tony Bennett album on Tidal that I wanted to hear through Roon. Queued it up. By midway through the 2nd track it just stopped. Then it loaded the 3rd track. Did the same thing. Never has happened before.

     

    JJ

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    i used the release of the new version to try roon out for the first time. everything works very well except that my watched folder does not update automatically. force rescan works, but it's as though the folder isn't really being, well, watched. roon core is running on a sonictransporter i5, which is mounting a nas share via smb. does watching a folder require the folder to be stored locally or something? what am i missing? thanks!

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    i used the release of the new version to try roon out for the first time. everything works very well except that my watched folder does not update automatically. force rescan works, but it's as though the folder isn't really being, well, watched. roon core is running on a sonictransporter i5, which is mounting a nas share via smb. does watching a folder require the folder to be stored locally or something? what am i missing? thanks!

     

    How long are you waiting?

     

    I have Roon server on a Linux computer with my files stored on a NAS unit (so similar to your setup) and new albums do automatically show up in the Roon library but there is a delay.

     

    So if I add something new and want to listen to it right away, I need to do the force scan. If I wait a while, say the next day, it is shows up without a force scan.

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    My music is on a NAS that runs linux, roon core on a home build i7 PC. Any music added generally shows up in a few seconds maybe at most a minute. I've never had to wait a whole day for anything to show up or force a scan. Sorry not sure why it would take so long.

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    The two features I wanted most, MQA and "universal" Roon (run Roon in my office and my home with one set of music in my home NAS), do not seem to be in this build. ?

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    How long are you waiting?

     

    I have Roon server on a Linux computer with my files stored on a NAS unit (so similar to your setup) and new albums do automatically show up in the Roon library but there is a delay.

     

    So if I add something new and want to listen to it right away, I need to do the force scan. If I wait a while, say the next day, it is shows up without a force scan.

     

    thanks for this. good to know i'm not alone. i just upgraded to build 196 hoping this might fix my issue. no luck. i posted something on community.roonlabs.com too. tonight and tomorrow i'm also going to try to compare the sound quality of roon to mpd.

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    Loving the new update but when using DSP with all Tidal files (not MQA) they play for few seconds then stop and move on to next track. I'm in the UK too. This doesn't happen if I use DSP on local files. Anyone have any suggestions to help with this?

    I get a similar thing, TIDAL playback with DSP upsampling gives distorted playback and sometimes just stops. Local files are fine. I'm in the UK also.

     

    Actually, scratch those comments. It is doing it on local files now, but I have turned the background analysis up to full speed to speed the job up, so that could be the cause as it was working fine on local files before. Better to assess once the background scan has completed.

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    Very weird... For the first time I am upsampling to DSD and preferring it to PCM. I own a 2qute. With HQP I would always upsample to the maximum PCM rate supported by the Dac.

     

     

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    Unfortunately the current DSD to DSD upsampling is disappointing. The signal goes trough an intermediate step of DSD to PCM to DSD conversion. I hope they will improve this in the future.

     

    Matt

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