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    The Computer Audiophile

    Audiophile Style State of the Union

    Over the years the Audiophile Style forum has been an invaluable resource to many audiophiles and music lovers alike. This is all due to the contributions from members of the community from around the world, who freely give their time to help others and enjoy this wonderful shared interest we call audiophilia. Whether one's interests are mainly music or gear or a split between the two, matters not. Audiophile Style is about increasing one's enjoyment of music, gear, and the community in general. Nobody needs more negativity in their lives or more judgement of their personal pursuits. The world is full of that nonsense. Audiophile Style is a place to leave all that behind, to forget about one's mentally or physically draining day, and to immerse oneself in that which has brought joy to so many for so long. 

     

    Recently the scales have tipped a bit too far toward snark, combativeness, imposition, and confrontation. All of this is killing the vibe and the culture of Audiophile Style, pushing it more toward the 4chan of audio rather than a place to learn, share, and have fun. When I don't want to read some threads because I know the usual suspects will be on their high horses, something needs to change. When members of the community can't even have an enjoyable conversation without being rudely interrupted by people with an opposing agenda, something needs to change.

     

    We've had a very limited set of forum rules since our inception in 2007. These rules just keep honest people honest. Others find ways to bend them as far as possible, seeking to impose their own view of how this site should be run and what topics the conversations should include. For the most part, more rules won't change behavior. There are folks on the extreme ends of the audio continuum who just can't live with those who disagree, and that's a problem. 

     

    I've always encouraged people to post whatever opinion they hold or facts they have about all audio topics. However, this has to be done either in its own thread or in a thread where the information is desired. Those on the extreme ends just can't live with this either. When given the opportunity to self-police, the extremists can't stop themselves from posting in topics where the vast majority of people have zero interest in what they have to say. It's the equivalent of walking into a classical music party uninvited and putting on a Rage Against The Machine playlist. Sure, it's fabulous music but the time and place are wrong.  

     

    The bottom line is this, Audiophile Style is about increasing one's enjoyment of this wonderful hobby. I look forward to the 99% of members of this community working toward this goal and having a good time. 

     

     

    What's Changing?

     

    There is a new sub-forum called Objective-Fi. This is the place for objective audio discussions. It will be free from subjectivist appeals to authority, anecdotes, and unscientific experience threads and comments. This will free-up the objective-minded members of this community from going in circles trying to explain why something just can't be, for the 100th time. 

     

    This new sub-forum doesn't mean that the rest of the forum is entirely subjective only. Because audio is an inherently subjective pursuit, it makes no sense to create a subjective-Fi sub-forum equivalent to the Objective-Fi sub-forum either. The reality is that life isn't black & white. The other forum areas will continue on as they've been for years. If there is an objective challenge to one's subjective experience, the comment(s) will be moved to the Objective-Fi sub-forum for the discussion to continue unabated. 

     

    In essence the rules haven't changed, but now there is a place for discussions to be had where people on both sides of an issue can examine it and discuss it without turning everyone off and ruining peoples' days. 

     

    Please remember, the problem isn't what's said, it's the place in which it's said. 


    Thanks to everyone who has provided feedback in an effort to bring the enjoyment and fun back into our pursuit of HiFi and great music. Audiophile Style wouldn't exist without the wonderful members of this community

     


    - Chris
     



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    On 2/17/2020 at 2:15 PM, The Computer Audiophile said:

     

    The difference now is that the interjections or fundamental disagreements now have their own sub-forum and there's a sub-forum for people to start objective conversations in a place free from, as some call them, anti-vaxxer style comments. 

     

    We tried giving the OP the ability to police threads with limited success. We tried telling people to create their own threads if they disagreed with something their comments would be seen as a thread-crap. There's no silver bullet. Now, we can move comments and threads into a place where everyone knows they are allowed. 

     

    If you're unclear where to post you have the option of asking me (probably time consuming for both of us), doing your best to select the right spot, or just giving up on the new rules and going elsewhere. Seems to me the risk / reward of the middle option isn't too terrible and will likely help us all get to a happy medium. That said, if the change is a bridge too far, I understand. 

     

     

     

     

    Not at all. Perhaps you missed all my examples of SandyK's inappropriate posts and the fact that this now gives you a place free from his snark and anger. There are many threads with "objectivist" OPs who have mod rights to the thread. They wanted this just to remove his posts. 

     

     

     

     

     

    If objective information and science is what you consider the kids table, it's a table I'd be happy to sit at. 

    Plus, there is Mac n Cheese for all.

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    17 hours ago, thyname said:

    You are totally missing the point with this move Chris @The Computer Audiophile. The “objectivists” post in all audio forums with a purpose: to save the poor souls from the evil of snake oil and high end audio charlatans and scammers. They already have their own site somewhere else (we know where). But they cannot save anyone there, as they are all saints. So they need to go to other places to do the saving. Like good missionaries. If they all talk between themselves, it’s very boring, and serves no purpose.

     

    Bottom line: this ain’t gone work. Look up the meaning of “missionary” in dictionary. They need to go places

     

    Please let me point out that there is, however, a thick grey area between missionaries and crusaders.
    As a side note and my personal opinion: I usually sense a strong form of deliberate denigration of opponents when reading religious intentions attached to people or camps, who are per se rather agnostic (which in turn does not help against showing bad manners & attitudes in Audio forum discussions).  Just my 2cents.

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    1 hour ago, fas42 said:

    with a desire to take offense at a subconscious mistake;


    Frank, I decided to NOT bring that issue openly to discussion here in this threat. I have  sent you a pm instead, hoping you could as well refrain from discussing thyname's behaviour over at ASR, because I regard that discussion as unhelpful at Audiophile Style.

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    1 hour ago, fas42 said:

     

    But it's OK for @pkane2001 to deride his contribution here, on the basis of supposedly bad behaviour on another forum? 🤨

     

    So what. Ignore him, and maybe he just goes away.

     

    If not, then use the ignore member feature.

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    1 hour ago, fas42 said:

     

    But it's OK for @pkane2001 to deride his contribution here, on the basis of supposedly bad behaviour on another forum? 🤨


    It’s ok Frank, I said what I needed to say. I’ll be quiet from now on.

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    4 hours ago, fas42 said:

     

    I looked this up, if this is the thread you're talking about, https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/uptone-audio-etherregen-switch-review.10232/ - and I am fully on the side of thyname here ... I see members of ASR frothing at the mouth with a desire to take offense at a subconscious mistake; and in spite of thyname trying to get it to settle down, the members refuse to be reasonable, and keep trying to escalate the vitriol ... hmmm.


    I promised myself to refrain from engaging with these people. There, here, anywhere (it’s the same few names). Utterly toxic characters, and not worth my time. Let them be, in their miserable small world, and in their full time job campaign of spreading the gospel (read: venom), ironically in the name of science.

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    Chris, in my opinion the state of Audiophile Style is not good. I've been tracking visits to the site since late 2016 and it sadden me to see it with fewer visits than The Absolute Sound.

     

    I expected this when the discussions turned to high resolution v CD quality but it is something we need to work through as a community together not separately.

     

    As for the subjective / objective debate is has always been my opinion that you need both. I can dance to any tune  but my subjective comments start at how will it play Pet Sounds and only get harder as I go down my reference albums and recordings.

     

    Back to regularly scheduled programing.

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