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    Audiophile Style State of the Union

    Over the years the Audiophile Style forum has been an invaluable resource to many audiophiles and music lovers alike. This is all due to the contributions from members of the community from around the world, who freely give their time to help others and enjoy this wonderful shared interest we call audiophilia. Whether one's interests are mainly music or gear or a split between the two, matters not. Audiophile Style is about increasing one's enjoyment of music, gear, and the community in general. Nobody needs more negativity in their lives or more judgement of their personal pursuits. The world is full of that nonsense. Audiophile Style is a place to leave all that behind, to forget about one's mentally or physically draining day, and to immerse oneself in that which has brought joy to so many for so long. 

     

    Recently the scales have tipped a bit too far toward snark, combativeness, imposition, and confrontation. All of this is killing the vibe and the culture of Audiophile Style, pushing it more toward the 4chan of audio rather than a place to learn, share, and have fun. When I don't want to read some threads because I know the usual suspects will be on their high horses, something needs to change. When members of the community can't even have an enjoyable conversation without being rudely interrupted by people with an opposing agenda, something needs to change.

     

    We've had a very limited set of forum rules since our inception in 2007. These rules just keep honest people honest. Others find ways to bend them as far as possible, seeking to impose their own view of how this site should be run and what topics the conversations should include. For the most part, more rules won't change behavior. There are folks on the extreme ends of the audio continuum who just can't live with those who disagree, and that's a problem. 

     

    I've always encouraged people to post whatever opinion they hold or facts they have about all audio topics. However, this has to be done either in its own thread or in a thread where the information is desired. Those on the extreme ends just can't live with this either. When given the opportunity to self-police, the extremists can't stop themselves from posting in topics where the vast majority of people have zero interest in what they have to say. It's the equivalent of walking into a classical music party uninvited and putting on a Rage Against The Machine playlist. Sure, it's fabulous music but the time and place are wrong.  

     

    The bottom line is this, Audiophile Style is about increasing one's enjoyment of this wonderful hobby. I look forward to the 99% of members of this community working toward this goal and having a good time. 

     

     

    What's Changing?

     

    There is a new sub-forum called Objective-Fi. This is the place for objective audio discussions. It will be free from subjectivist appeals to authority, anecdotes, and unscientific experience threads and comments. This will free-up the objective-minded members of this community from going in circles trying to explain why something just can't be, for the 100th time. 

     

    This new sub-forum doesn't mean that the rest of the forum is entirely subjective only. Because audio is an inherently subjective pursuit, it makes no sense to create a subjective-Fi sub-forum equivalent to the Objective-Fi sub-forum either. The reality is that life isn't black & white. The other forum areas will continue on as they've been for years. If there is an objective challenge to one's subjective experience, the comment(s) will be moved to the Objective-Fi sub-forum for the discussion to continue unabated. 

     

    In essence the rules haven't changed, but now there is a place for discussions to be had where people on both sides of an issue can examine it and discuss it without turning everyone off and ruining peoples' days. 

     

    Please remember, the problem isn't what's said, it's the place in which it's said. 


    Thanks to everyone who has provided feedback in an effort to bring the enjoyment and fun back into our pursuit of HiFi and great music. Audiophile Style wouldn't exist without the wonderful members of this community

     


    - Chris
     




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    Just now, daverich4 said:


    Any chance that’s a typo and you meant to say...

    A Mansr gotta do what a Mansr gotta do?

     

    Mans is his name.

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    let's not beatify any of the dearly departed

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    7 minutes ago, kumakuma said:

     

    Mans is his name.


    Jeez, seriously? That wasn’t a little bit funny?

     

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    33 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

    At the end of the day, this was a business decision for Chris and nothing more.  "Subjectivists" buy more stuff and are way more influenced by hype and the Audiophile Press.  Chris is just going where the money is.

     

    "it's not personal, it's business"

    Yes, it is this and quite transparently so.  Chris cannot put enough lipstick on that pig to fool anyone.

     

    Nothing personal just business.  Of course except for Chris and his advertisers it wasn't a business. 

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    1 minute ago, esldude said:

    Yes, it is this and quite transparently so.  Chris can put enough lipstick on that pig to fool anyone.

     

    Nothing personal just business.  Of course except for Chris and his advertisers it wasn't a business. 

    Dream on Dennis. If you don't like it here, leave. 

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    4 minutes ago, The Computer Audiophile said:

     

    I’m just tired of taking shit from people. I can only be nice and reasonable for so long. Some people don’t respond well to nice and reasonable. Then I just give them the blunt truth. Isn’t that what they do to others?

    Funny as HELL.    That is exactly the feeling I've had many times just as a poster.  I and those of a similar approach to enjoying our audio have the same experience.  And now you are getting a bit of it and do not seem to be doing very well.  You aren't so cheerful and easy going.  Remember none of the rest of us were killing puppies either. 

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    5 minutes ago, Teresa said:

    I thought most subjectivists also disliked MQA and are fearful of future music being contaminated by MQA. I don't believe this is an objectivist only position. That being the case how can it be a win for MQA.

     

    While I think the whole "objectivist/subjectivist" trope is just intellectual laziness taken to extremes, the changes Chris has made are a win for MQA because their proxies (Atkinson, Quint, Austin, Scoggins, et. al.) will feel no restraint to push the MQA lies with full confidence that they will not be challenged here in any way.  After all, we have to be civil to the Elders, don't we?  This is what they have demanded (just look at Quint's last 10 posts), and Chris has granted it to them with no conditions.  The forum now has no place for dissent.  Chris has been unequivocal: if you don't like it, leave!

     

     

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    1 minute ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

     

    While I think the whole "objectivist/subjectivist" trope is just intellectual laziness taken to extremes, the changes Chris has made are a win for MQA because their proxies (Atkinson, Quint, Austin, Scoggins, et. al.) will feel no restraint to push the MQA lies with full confidence that they will not be challenged here in any way.  After all, we have to be civil to the Elders, don't we?  This is what they have demanded (just look at Quint's last 10 posts), and Chris has granted it to them with no conditions.  The forum now has no place for dissent.  Chris has been unequivocal: if you don't like it, leave!

     

     

    Stop making up stories Sam. If you can’t stop you will be forced to leave as well. Blunt truth. You should like that. 

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    4 minutes ago, Samuel T Cogley said:

     

    While I think the whole "objectivist/subjectivist" trope is just intellectual laziness taken to extremes, the changes Chris has made are a win for MQA because their proxies (Atkinson, Quint, Austin, Scoggins, et. al.) will feel no restraint to push the MQA lies with full confidence that they will not be challenged here in any way.  After all, we have to be civil to the Elders, don't we?  This is what they have demanded (just look at Quint's last 10 posts), and Chris has granted it to them with no conditions.  The forum now has no place for dissent.  Chris has been unequivocal: if you don't like it, leave!

     

     

    The real danger probably isn't from a zombie MQA.  It is that something like it will come along in the future.  And Chris has arranged for the forum to have shall we say, no resistance to such a thing in the future. 

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    1 minute ago, esldude said:

    The real danger probably isn't from a zombie MQA.  It is that something like it will come along in the future.  And Chris has arranged for the forum to have shall we say, no resistance to such a thing in the future. 

     

    I can understand this - but it implicates AS as EITHER an effective "resistance" node OR a place where Audiophiles can be Audiophiles. If CC was effectively forced to choose then maybe that's what we're seeing.

     

    [That said I think I have seen CC say that he considers no-one indispensable in the "resistance" business. I don't have a view about that since I am not here for that purpose primarily.]

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    Just now, esldude said:

    I don't see it as an EITHER/OR choice.  I think you can have both.  You can also choose not to have both.  Looks like a choice has been made even if that choice was unintentional. 

     

    You've missed the "take home" message of the day. (And the "Audiophiles can be Audiophiles" part of my post.)

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    6 minutes ago, esldude said:

    I don't see it as an EITHER/OR choice.  I think you can have both.

     

    I made the same point here:

     

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