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    An Audiophile Switches From iOS to Android

    Note: I originally started this piece as an in-depth look at Android for audiophiles. I wanted to do the research and educate people so they didn't have to spend their time combing the entire Internet. I figured the article would be a great resource for getting the best sound out of an Android device. After several days of research, talking to experts, even talking to Google, this article turned in a little different direction. There are major problems with Android audio. I ran into them. I tried to provide details and some workarounds, amid my frustration. - CC

     

    I purchased my first iPhone on June 9, 2008. It was the 3G model. Back then, I didn't really use it for audio because the world was a different place. That phone was maxed-out at 16GB of storage, there were no major streaming music services, analog audio output was less than good, and there were zero devices capable of extracting digital audio from an iPhone. As future iPhone versions were released with more storage, streaming services appeared with lossless offline downloads, and external DACs capable of turning an iPhone into a pretty good audio device became available, I switched from my 160 GB iPod Classic and began to depend on my iPhone for mobile audio playback.

     

    On September 7, 2016 the iPhone 7 was announced. I was set to upgrade from my iPhone 6 Plus, but was very underwhelmed after watching Apple's presentation. I thought about keeping my 6 Plus until the "magical" iPhone 8 is released, but decided it was time for a change. I switched to the Google Pixel phone running Android. When switching to an Android device, it was very important to me to use an official Google phone. Google ensures its phones have the "real" Android experience, without bloatware, and will be updated to the newest version of the Android operating system as soon as it's released. On the other hand, manufacturers such as Samsung, LG, HTC, Motorola, and Huawei use such customized versions of Android, it's hard to believe they can still use the Android brand. Bloatware an lack of updates are two major issues with non-Google Android phones. Anyway, I made the switch to a 128 GB Google Pixel, and the quest for audiophile quality audio from Android started immediately. I literally hadn't received the phone yet, and I was already trying to find the right audio-related accessories and the best way to output bit perfect audio.

     

     

     

    Reality Check

    I really like Android. It's kind of a nerd's operating system. But, it's the wild west. I should have started my quest for the best Android audio output before I purchased the Google Pixel. However, I have a feeling I wouldn't have discovered the issues until I had a horse in the race. When searching for Android audio information, the amount of information available is overwhelming. The amount of pertinent information is scarce to nonexistent. Welcome to the Internet Chris. Searching for items "in general" such as the best android audio app or configuration, won't provide results specific enough for action. Call me master of the obvious, but every version of Android, major (4, 5, 6, 7) and minor (x.1, x.2, x.3), is different. Add in the variables of each phone and each manufacturer's version of Android, and the third party accessories that may even cause damage to the hardware, and plenty of other items, the situation becomes a shit-show.

     

     

     

    Establishing A Baseline

    Hardware

    • Apple iPhone 6 Plus
    • Apple Lightning to USB 3 Camera Adapter
    • Apple Lightning to USB Cable
    • AudioQuest DragonFly Red or DragonFly Black
    • JH Audio JH13 earphones

     

    Software

    • Apple iOS
    • Tidal
    • JRemote
    • Onkyo HF Player

     

     

     

     

    My portable audio system when I used iOS devices was fairly straight forward. I used my iPhone, running whatever version of iOS was the newest, for music playback when I was in the car and when I was in the air. In both scenarios, Apple's camera adapter enabled me to charge the iPhone and output digital audio simultaneously. Power was either provided by my car or the in-seat USB / AC outlet of an airplane. I used Onkyo HF Player whenever I wanted to play locally stored high resolution files, and JRemote whenever I wanted to stream music from my 4TB library at home to anywhere in the world. The app I used most was Tidal. I streamed lossless music in the car and played from my offline'd lossless albums when in the air. The iPhone controlled the DragonFly's hardware volume attenuation without an issue.

     

    The aforementioned system is more complex than using the headphone output, assuming one still has this available, but it provides much better quality audio without jumping through too many hoops. Using Tidal to stream and offline music is a simple as it gets. I can't remember the last time I connected an iPhone to a computer to update the locally stored music. That just seemed so 2005-ish.

     

     

     

    Apple Lightning to USB 3 Camera Adapter

     

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    Reaching The Baseline With A Google Pixel And Android

     

    Hardware

    • Google Pixel Phone
    • Apple USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter (MJ1K2AM/A)
    • Google USB-C to USB-A Cable
    • AudioQuest DragonFly Red or DragonFly Black
    • JH Audio JH13 earphones

     

    Software

    • Android Nugat 7.1.1
    • Tidal
    • JRemote
    • USB Audio Player Pro

     

     

     

    Given that my phone is now an important part of my music listening experience, I wanted the Google Pixel phone to be at least as good as my iPhone, if not better. This is where the problems began. First, I needed to power the phone in my car and in the air. Without power for charging, I risk arriving at a destination without my schedule, hotel address, Uber, etc... First-world problems.

     

     

     

    Power to the Pixel

     

    I began searching for a USB-C cable to connect to my existing 12V car charger. I stumbled upon a spreadsheet by Google's Nathan K. containing testing data. Nathan tests USB cables and chargers for compatibility with the new Google Pixel phone. After a few seconds I realized I couldn't use any USB-C cable and I definitely couldn't use my existing 12V charger. This spreadsheet is full of details about each cable's speed, power rating, length, certification status, and notes from the person who tested the cable or charger. The cables and charger range from "Definitely Get" to Avoid / Doesn't Work / Causes Damage." Needless to say, it's not as easy as going to Google or Verizon (Pixel is available from Verizon as well) and purchasing a cable and charger. Some Google cables aren't USB-IF certified (not required, but nice to have), while others are out of production. The "current" Google cable is only USB 2.0 and apparently there is a newer version that's signified by "beige and black with better engineering, thicker."

     

    The search for a cable that meets the highest standards was a nightmare. Many are out of production or out of stock, and far more of the available cables are just plain bad. After finding a cable, I need the 12V car charger. I thought maybe I'd stop in at Verizon to pick one up. not so fast. The Verizon car charger is listed in the worst category, Avoid / doesn't work / causes damage. Testing shows it overloads itself at 2.4a. Google's special note says, "avoid it at all costs". Readers should also be aware that Verizon's AC charger has a note in this spreadsheet that says, "Cable has excessive DCR. PD chip glitches..."

     

    After navigating that mess, I purchased a few Google USB-C to USB-C cables and a very cool Nomad car charger. Neither have the best specifications, but neither should cause my phone or car to explode.

     

    But wait, I still needed a way to charge my phone and output audio to an AudioQuest DragonFly Red or Black USB DAC. Let's look at each one separately. Outputting audio to the DragonFly requires an On-The-Go (OTG) USB-C to USB-A adapter. One of the OTG adapters was included with the Pixel phone and I ordered one with a cable from Google. Problem one solved pretty easily.

     

    I then needed to charge and output audio simultaneously, just like my iPhone. I think I can hear the people at Google laughing at me now. Trying to find an adapter equivalent to the Apple Lightning to USB 3 Camera Adapter, was and still is a joke. Seemingly hundreds of companies make USB-C hub-type products designed for new MacBooks or Google's Pixel C laptop, but almost nobody has certified a device with the Google Pixel phone. While searching I found out that not all USB-C products are compatible with the USB-IF Power Delivery standard, R2 V1.0, even though they charge through a USB-C port. There's also what's called passthrough power. I need passthrough power to charge my phone at the same time as I play music. Many devices don't support passthrough power.

     

    Yesterday I found two devices for this task. One from Apple and one from a company named Plugable. Apple makes a $49 USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter that features USB-C power input, HDMI output, and a USB-A connection. When I went to the Apple store and talked to the guy about testing it before purchasing it, he was very cool and grabbed one from the back room. When I pulled out my Google Pixel phone, he looked at me like I had an eye in the middle of my forehead. I successfully tested the adapter with a DragonFly Black at the Apple store, but was unable to really test the passthrough power feature. I didn't want to ask too much of the guy. I purchased the adapter and went to my car to test everything. It didn't work. Frustrated, I thought about it on the way home and figured I'd try a couple more things before declaring it a nonstarter.

     

    When I arrived home I connected the adapter to my phone, the DragonFly Red to the adapter, and an official google USB-C charger to the adapter. On the first attempt I had power to the DragonFly and power to my phone, but no audio output. Then I clicked a few different options related to how the phone uses the connected device (receive power, supply power, etc...) that didn't seem to do much. I disconnected and reconnected, and it worked! The Apple USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter (Part Number: MJ1K2AM/A) works with the Google Pixel phone to supply power and connect a USB DAC.

     

    The device from Plugable is somewhat certified for what I need. The USBC-HUB3P has USB-C in/out and USB-A. Plugable support told me the device works to charge a Pixel phone and connect a USB thumb drive simultaneously. This is a plus. But, Plugable said it didn't have USB DAC to test. I ordered the $32 device anyway. When the USBC-HUB3P arrived I connected it to the Google charger than shipped with the Pixel phone, then connected it to the phone. I had power passthrough immediately. Then I held my breath and connected the DragonFly Black. The Fly illuminated green! I played a tune and I had music! This sounds very elementary, but based on my research and the fact that there are so many nonstandard peripherals for Android devices, I was surprised it worked. Plus, I'm not a fan of spending money on items that will only fill my box of "well that didn't work" devices.

     

    Between the Apple USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter (MJ1K2AM/A) and the Plugable USBC-HUB3P, I'll use the Pugable device every time. It seems smaller, has a better connected cable, and has a more ergonomic shape. Anyone looking to purchase an adapter for this reason will save money as well because the Plugable USBC-HUB3P is cheaper. The Apple USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter (MJ1K2AM/A) is currently $49, but this is only because many people complained to Apple and it temporarily lowered the price.

     

     

     

    Apple USB-C Digital AV Multiport Adapter (MJ1K2AM/A)

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    Plugable USBC-HUB3P

     

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    Music Playback and Software

     

    With the power situation figured out, I now turn to music playback and software. This area is perhaps the most frustrating and leaves me feeling hopeless and without any control over the situation. I ran into common problems on Android, that are nonexistent on other platforms. I exchanged emails with Google, and based on the response received in combination with other information, I gleaned that the company really doesn't care about these issues. Let me be clear, all other major operating systems do what Google won't enable in Android. I'm not talking about some extreme niche knuckle-dragging audiophile problem. I'm talking about issues that were solved many years ago on other platforms.

     

     

     

    Pump Up The Volume

     

    On with the shit-show. Using the Google-supplied USB-C to USB-A On-The-Go adapter, I connected my Pixel phone to an AudioQuest DragonFly Red. A very popular DAC by any standard. I wouldn't be surprised if there are several hundred thousand DragonFlys in the hands of customers around the world. I purposely left the Plugable and Apple adapters out of the equation when I started listening. I fired up the Tidal Android app, and noticed immediately that the volume was a bit low. I pressed the Pixel's volume rocker a few times to increase the level, but it still didn't get very loud. After a reboot, or two, and reconnection of the DragonFly, I saw the same results. I switched from the DragonFly Red to the Meridian Explorer 2, to see if the problem as a DragonFly issue. Unfortunately the issue of low volume remained when using the Explorer 2 and the Tidal app on my Pixel phone. I put my headphone 1/8 inch plug directly into the Pixel's headphone jack as a test, and I was able to hurt my ears quickly with high volume. It was official, as further research would show, I had the much dreaded, low volume, external DAC, Android issue.

     

    I dug into the issue for several hours, thinking there must be a solution. Or, at least a geeky workaround. The Internet is full of possible solutions that may or may not work with specific versions of Android on specific version of individual phones. Remember, each major and minor version, as well as each phone, introduce new variables that can invalidate a solution immediately. I tried a few things, but came up empty each time.

     

    I contacted AudioQuest, manufacturer of the DragonFly Red DAC. AudioQuest is mostly know as a cable company, but it also has extensive knowledge and contacts when it comes to USB DACs, software, and operating systems. I also contacted the designer of the DragonFly, Wavelength Audio's Gordon Rankin. Gordon is unofficially the godfather of USB audio. In my conversations with AudioQuest and Gordon, I learned quite a bit about how the DragonFly works and how Android works, or as I'll characterize it, doesn't work. Please keep in mind that all opinions about the workings of Android and the Google Pixel phone are mine only. AudioQuest and Gordon simply provided facts about the technologies.

     

    When a device, such as a USB DAC, is connected to any host, in this case a Google Pixel phone, a process called enumeration takes place between the host (Pixel) and peripheral (USB DAC). According to Google's own documentation, enumeration is, "The process of detecting which peripherals are connected to the bus, and querying their properties..." In layman's terms this is a conversation between the phone and DAC, that enables the phone to determine the capabilities of the DAC. A standard enumeration would identify for the host, what sample rates the DAC supports, its power requirements, and the DAC's default and maximum volume levels (if the DAC has volume control).

     

    Enumerating the volume level is where many Android phones don't follow the agreed upon standards. Keep in mind that some Android device manufacturers and third party app developers have solved this issue. Google, as the creator of the operating system, has elected to not solve the problem. In this specific case, when the DragonFly Red is connected to the Google Pixel phone, the DragonFly tells the Pixel that its default volume is 41. The DragonFly Red has a 64 step digital volume control that defaults to step 41, so as not to ruin ears or equipment when it's initially connected. In its infinite wisdom, Android reads this default volume setting as the DragonFly's maximum volume. Thus, there's no going over step 41 out of 64 when turning up the volume.

     

    Digging deeper into this issue, reveals a larger issue. When Android adjusts the volume of the DragonFly or any other USB DAC, it's doing so in software, not the DAC's built-in hardware volume control. You can see that the Pixel adjusts its volume from say 0% to 100%, but this is only working between step 0 and 41 in the DragonFly Red USB DC. First we have Android's inability to distinguish between a default volume and maximum volume upon enumeration, then we have Android's inability to operate a hardware volume control on a USB DAC. Both of these fairly simple and very standard items have been done for many years in OS X / macOS, Windows, Linux, and iOS. Android uses the extremely popular Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (ALSA) that is used by nearly every Linux-based audio device you and I have ever used. But, Google has elected to remove many capabilities in its version called tinyalsa. I can see sliming-down software to work on a phone, but stripping out what many consider essential was a frustrating move by Google.

     

    As part of my research I contacted Google about this and another issue I'll discuss next. I received a fairly fast response and inquiry asking for additional information to pass along to the correct team member(s). I laid out the details of what was happening with lack of hardware volume control and the strange default / maximum volume issue. I received the following one sentence response, "We currently do not support enumeration and control of external volume controllers but we're continuing to extend our USB Audio support in future versions of Android."

     

    My interest in using a official Google phone, with the official Android OS, has taken a serious hit. It's my understanding that a limited number of non-Google phones have heavily modified versions of Android than enable hardware volume control. However, most phone manufacturers don't enable hardware volume control.

     

    It's entirely possible that AudioQuest could release a firmware update to set the default DragonFly Red volume to step 64 (maximum), but that opens another can of worms. AQ would be compensating for a shortcoming of Google, by introducing something it doesn't see as a best practice. given that Android has a 69% share of the mobile phone market, followed by 26% iOS, 2% Windows, and 2% Java, AudioQuest's hand may be forced by Google's lack of interest in making its operating system meet the standards that every other major OS has met for many years.

     

     

     

     

     

    Sample iRate

     

    Given that I'm an audiophile, I obviously have music in several different sample rates. Anywhere from 44.1 kHz to 11.2 MHz at 1, 16, and 24 bit. It would be nice to play some of this material on my Google Pixel phone, just like I did on my Apple iPhone for many years. Tidal is currently limited to 16 bit / 44.1 kHz, so I opened JRemote and pulled some music from the JRiver Media Center server on my network. I played 16/44.1 content just fine, although at low volume through the DragonFly Red. When I switched to 24 bit / 88.2 kHz or 96 kHz, the DragonFly's sample rate indicator didn't change. I thought to myself, oh wonderful, the great Internet search for solutions was back on. I wasn't searching for long before I found the official Android documentation describing USB audio and sample rate support.

     

     

    Mono/Stereo (no multichannel). Sample rates up to 48 kHz (but up to 44.1 kHz is recommended on devices with 44.1 kHz output, as the 48 to 44.1 kHz downsampler does not include a low-pass filter). 16-bit recommended; no dither applied for 24-bit.

     

    source - https://developer.android.com/guide/topics/media/media-formats.html

     

     

     

    Android 5.0 (API level 21) and above supports a subset of USB audio class 1 (UAC1) features:

     

    The Android device must act as host

    The audio format must be PCM (interface type I)

    The bit depth must be 16-bits, 24-bits, or 32-bits where 24 bits of useful audio data are left-justified within the most significant bits of the 32-bit word

    The sample rate must be either 48, 44.1, 32, 24, 22.05, 16, 12, 11.025, or 8 kHz

    The channel count must be 1 (mono) or 2 (stereo)

     

    source - https://source.android.com/devices/audio/usb.html

     

     

     

     

    The pertinent pieces of information above are 1) support for USB Audio Class 1 (UAC1), and 2) sample rate maximum of 48 kHz. Before continuing, here's a little primer on USB audio classes. UAC1 supports up through 96 kHz and UAC2 supports sample rates much greater than 96 kHz. When an operating system supports UAC1, it can output Usb audio to a DAC at rates up to 96 kHz without the need for a third party driver. Many Linux distributions, OS X / macOS, Windows 10 (recently), and iOS all support UAC2. They can output audio at much higher rates than 96 kHz without any additional software. It's native to the operating system. For a pretty good and thorough USB primer directly from Google check out its documentation here -> https://source.android.com/devices/audio/usb.html

     

    I understand that high resolution audio isn't on everyone's playlist. I'm OK with Android not supporting it. However, UAC1 can support up through 96 kHz music. Google has elected to limit Android's audio capability to a maximum of 48 kHz. In addition, according to the documentation, Android is outputting 44.1 content at its native rate and resampling 48 kHz content to 44.1 kHz. Google even recommends audio in 44.1 because its Android downsampler doesn't include a low-pass filter. That's what the documentation says. In my experience, Android is even worse. Using the DragonFly Red and Black, all audio output was illuminating the fly in magenta. This signifies the audio the DragonFly is receiving is at 96 kHz. No matter what I played, within the DragonFly's supported limit of 96 kHz, the Pixel output audio at 96 kHz. I guess I can see this happening, but don't fully understand why. When I connected the Meridian Explorer 2 things got even worse. All audio output was illuminating the 192 kHz indicator. Except, when I tried to play 192 kHz audio, nothing would play. I have no clue how or why, I'm just reporting the results of my tests.

     

    Note: I was notified about high resolution and hardware volume control support that was released to some Samsung phones with Android 4.1. When it was released audiophiles were very excited, as one would imagine. However, within a couple days, another update was pushed out that removed high resolution and hardware volume control support. I can't confirm or deny that this happened, but it is illustrative of the wild west nature of the Android ecosystem.

     

     

     

     

     

    Work Work Work Work Workaround

     

    My two main issues with Android and the Pixel phone are related to volume control and sample rate support. All other major operating systems solved these issues either long ago or recently decided to finally do it (Windows 10). How does one get around these issues? A custom app that uses its own drivers. However, there is no free lunch. After using the best app on the market, I'm still without a major feature of my previous mobile playback system.

     

    On Windows operating systems prior to the release of UAC2 support (coming soon if not already released), many DAC manufacturers used Thesycon drivers for audio output. This enabled playback of higher resolutions than 24/96. In the Android world, things are a bit similar, but not entirely the same. eXtream Software Development has created an app named USB Audio Player Pro. This app takes full control over an audio device such as a USB DAC and implements UAC2 support. Using a DragonFly it has full control over the hardware volume and pays bit perfect up to 96 kHz. Using a Meridian Explorer 2, I successfully sent 192 kHz and MQA music through USB Audio Player Pro without a problem. In this respect, using UAPP is like installing a Thesycon driver. It enabled high resolution output and control of the DAC.

     

    What's dissimilar is the fact that UAPP isn't a universal type driver that can be used by other applications. Android doesn't allow one to replace its audio system. UAPP must be contained within the app, like a sandbox. Launch the app and everything works perfect within the app. Outside of the app, it's as if the UAPP doesn't exist. Why does this matter? Because of a record label restriction. Huh, a record label restriction? Yes, a record label restriction.

     

    USB Audio Player Pro is a great app. It supports local phone files, network folders and files, UPnP/DLNA, and even Tidal and Qobuz. But, here's the rub. UAPP can't access Tidal's offline library. When on an airplane, I played music from an offline library of about 75 GB with my iPhone. Using UAPP, I can't access my Tidal offline library because record labels don't allow access to the offline content unless one is in the Tidal application. Using the Tidal application I have the volume control / hardware control issue that is a nonstarter. I could load up Tidal with all kinds of offline music, that I don't own, but I don't want to use the Tidal app because it's limited by Android's audio system. When I'm not on an airplane, I can stream this music through UAPP. Its Tidal implementation is pretty good.

     

    USB Audio Player Pro is a great solution when 1) Tidal streaming is available over WiFi or mobile carrier, 2) One has access to a UPnP/DLNA server, 3) One has access to a network share with music, and 4) One has local music stored on an Android device. UAPP has great options including a bit perfect playback checkbox, upsampling, UPnP Rendering, DSD to PCM conversion, native DSD, DSD using DoP, and three USB specific tweaks to be used as needed. UAPP would be the perfect app, if it had access to Tidal's offline content. People who don't really need access to Tidal's offline content should check out UAPP without hesitation.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Brass T®acks

     

    My journey from iOS to Android on a Google Pixel phone has been frustrating with respect to audio playback. I really like every other aspect of the phoned operating system, just not its ability to play music. My journey began with hardware incompatibility and accessories capable of damaging the phone, and continues with Android software choices made by Google that limit audio playback. Whether it's incorrectly enumerating a USB DAC, lack of hardware volume control, or lack of support for high resolution audio with UAC2, Google has the ability to easily fix all of these issues. Many distributions of Linux have done it. Apple did it on OS X/ macOS and iOS years ago. Microsoft has had volume hardware volume control for seemingly ever, and recently introduced native support for UAC2. It's frustrating that the world's number one mobile operating system, created by a company full of music lovers and computer nerds, doesn't support what all other major operating systems support. I'm thankful that eXtream Software Development created USB Audio Player Pro because it solved some of the issues ignored by Google. However, my number one need of playing offline Tidal content, can't be addressed because of record label "concerns." Google could make all of this a nonissue, but based on the company's responses, I don't have a good feeling the company will "Do the right thing" (this replaced it previous motto, Don't be evil, in October 2015).

     

     

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    Do like I do, I use my Nexus 6P as a phone and an AK240 (latest firmware now features Tidal support) for music. Problem solved.

     

    (but it makes for a very short article).

    How do you stream over cellular with that? Possible but painful. You also need to charge two devices. Plus if you wanted to listen to Spotify (whose catalog is broader than Tidal) you'd be out of luck.

     

    I have a Sony ZX2. Don't use it anymore.

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    How do you stream over cellular with that? Possible but painful. You also need to charge two devices. Plus if you wanted to listen to Spotify (whose catalog is broader than Tidal) you'd be out of luck.

     

    I have a Sony ZX2. Don't use it anymore.

     

    I don’t stream over cellular for one and, two, I don't use Spotify. However, if I wanted to stream over cellular, I'd just use the Tidal app and listen from my phone. Works fine for me.

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    I've been using Hiby Music Player to play back files from my Android phone. It seems to light up the correct lights on the DAC and sounds very good to me.

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    Please read the article. You seemed to have missed the real issues.

     

    Davy Wentzler Home has written the android audio driver which is a basis for UAPP. Fantastic software that since 2014 allowed many of us to use phones or tablets or PC (Android 86) with a dac for high quality audio. It is as excellent on android kit kat device as on Pixel. UAPP is also a UPNP renderer.

    On the other note, what are the real issues?

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    I'll have to read Chris' article again. The brain is slow. However, I've fully migrated to the Apple environment after eons everywhere else, and everything works. There are some issues, I agree, but why the Wild West? My daughter, after much frustration, got herself an iPhone. It works. She's a Ph.D. environmental scientist. She's pissed that it just works. My son, an engineer that leads ADS-B programs at an MIT lab is slated to go next, and can't stand the fact that by doing so he is giving up the Wild West. I'm not trying to do anything here other than asking, why? If it works, why switch? Is there something inherently superior about the Android OS that is appealing?

     

     

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    Davy Wentzler Home has written the android audio driver which is a basis for UAPP. Fantastic software that since 2014 allowed many of us to use phones or tablets or PC (Android 86) with a dac for high quality audio. It is as excellent on android kit kat device as on Pixel. UAPP is also a UPNP renderer.

    On the other note, what are the real issues?

     

    Glad you mentioned the same app I wrote about in the article you didn't read.

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    I'll have to read Chris' article again. The brain is slow. However, I've fully migrated to the Apple environment after eons everywhere else, and everything works. There are some issues, I agree, but why the Wild West? My daughter, after much frustration, got herself an iPhone. It works. She's a Ph.D. environmental scientist. She's pissed that it just works. My son, an engineer that leads ADS-B programs at an MIT lab is slated to go next, and can't stand the fact that by doing so he is giving up the Wild West. I'm not trying to do anything here other than asking, why? If it works, why switch? Is there something inherently superior about the Android OS that is appealing?

     

     

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    Very good question JJ. For me, it came down to change. I was ready for a change and felt a little bit like iOS was a fisher-price kids operating system. I also thought I wouldn't have the issues I ran into.

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    Anyone know if there's a ASIO driver for my new phone?

     

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    You woes with using an adaptor to power the phone, while it drives a DAC at the same time sound more like problems with USB OTG, rather than problems with Android USB to me. That is because OTG is expecting a 1:1 connection between the phone and a USB device such as a DAC. This means it won't work with a USB hub, and I think the only way you can achieve your dual use aim would be via a USB hub where the phone is the host of a normal USB bus setup (ie as it would work with a laptop, rather than OTG with a phone).

     

    I'm sucessfully using active USB2 hubs to connect my bus-powered DACs (Fostex HP A3/A4) via OTG cable to my android devices from Asus and Samsung. With UAPP hires PCM playback works fine. As far as I know, Android support for different USB devices is rather depending on your phone/tab model, manufacturer and firmware/os version.

    With some active hubs (e.g. my 4-port USB2 from Belkin) you may even simultaneouslyly charge your Android device though against official USB specs.Acc. to USB specs (at least for USB1/2.x) the hub is not allowed to send power to the host device (in this case phone/tablet). But acc. to my german magazine c't, some active usb hubs are operating against this spec and supply power to both hub and slaves. Of course, your phone must accept the hub as a charging device. You'll need some trial and errorband carefully select your Android device.

    Conclusion: my current setup (android device>otg cable>active hub>dac) is fine for playing hires music from local sd via UAPP, but not for e.g. listening/watching content in browser or VLC app.

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    I'm sucessfully using active USB2 hubs to connect my bus-powered DACs (Fostex HP A3/A4) via OTG cable to my android devices from Asus and Samsung. With UAPP hires PCM playback works fine. As far as I know, Android support for different USB devices is rather depending on your phone/tab model, manufacturer and firmware/os version.

    With some active hubs (e.g. my 4-port USB2 from Belkin) you may even simultaneouslyly charge your Android device though against official USB specs.Acc. to USB specs (at least for USB1/2.x) the hub is not allowed to send power to the host device (in this case phone/tablet). But acc. to my german magazine c't, some active usb hubs are operating against this spec and supply power to both hub and slaves. Of course, your phone must accept the hub as a charging device. You'll need some trial and errorband carefully select your Android device.

    Conclusion: my current setup (android device>otg cable>active hub>dac) is fine for playing hires music from local sd via UAPP, but not for e.g. listening/watching content in browser or VLC app.

     

    It seems we need to report results on a case by case basis and post them on a forum like Head-Fi. It may be that a working combination to do what Chris wanted to do is out there, but it is difficult to predict what works.

     

    As a data pointf from me, I tried my Moto G first gen/Onkyo HF Player into an iFi iUSB3.0 Nano into an iFi iDSD Nano and it didn't work, although the phone can drive the iFi self powered DAC directly just fine. I assumed that was because the iUSB3.0 is a USB hub and therefore the Onkyo USB driver didn't support USB hubs, and only a standard OTG configuration.

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    Very good question JJ. For me, it came down to change. I was ready for a change and felt a little bit like iOS was a fisher-price kids operating system. I also thought I wouldn't have the issues I ran into.

     

    Well, that's what I assumed. You need to go play in new, maybe more complex and maybe robust sandboxes. After all, you should be trying more and more, given your CA position. Makes sense.

     

    I'm at an age where I'm not looking for complexity. I'm in fact shedding complexity in favor of time spent doing what is important to me and others. Like listening to music, and enabling others to do the same at very high levels of audio quality. But, it's got to work and be understandable.

     

    When your sig other can't dial up a tune while you are gone, or she can't figure out how to get the entire system up and running after a power outage, then SQ at the expense of simplicity be damned.

     

    Anyway, love the site and love the discussions and pushing of the envelope. Keep it up!

     

    JJ

     

     

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    Android plays audiophile music just fine. There are music player apps that can play high-res like Neutron. There are even DSD players for a price. You can output digital via Bluetooth. Many USB DACs work on Android but only on regular USB 2.0 ports, not the just released USB-C. But sure enough full accessory support of USB-C will come.

     

    Your problem arise because you want to use a USB DAC and charge at the same time. So you need to get a breakout box, just like Apple phones. So get a breakout box. Look I have done this more than 2 years ago without the hassle you went though. This what what most Apple people face once they exit the Apple econsystem. They have to start thinking. My app is Neutron music player and I configure it to output to the USB port where a DAC is attached via a data/power breakout box. The DAC is not Audioquest and it works like wonder. It a bit more expensive but it plays not only 24/192 but DSDx2. I feed the analog output from the DAC to headphones and to my big sound system. Sound quality is exemplary given the nature of this setup. This was done 2 years ago without so much as a hiccup.

     

    So what's all the fuss?

     

    Davy Wentzler Home has written the android audio driver which is a basis for UAPP. Fantastic software that since 2014 allowed many of us to use phones or tablets or PC (Android 86) with a dac for high quality audio. It is as excellent on android kit kat device as on Pixel. UAPP is also a UPNP renderer.

    On the other note, what are the real issues?

     

    Fuss is that the Pixel doesn't do USB Audio nearly as well as the iOS Devices. Having used both the Pixel and the Nexus 5, I have no real complaints for the Nexus 5, I use Hiby which plays all my high res stuff through my DAC, using the native Hiby driver. If I want to route system audio via the DAC, I have to disconnect and reconnect, and prevent the DAC from connecting with Hiby, which is annoying, but necessary for the way Android implements its limited USB system audio.

     

    Also, with the change to Android N, Hiby no longer detects my DAC. UAPP does, but has some minor DSD playback issues with my DAC specifically. Not sure if it's an Android N issue, a Pixel issue, or both. I have worked with Davy regarding this issue, but no resolution was made. So with the Pixel, I can't have perfect DSD playback of my collection like I could with the Nexus 5 on Lollipop.

     

    On iOS, it's a system level assignment, so I don't need to reconnect my DAC if I want to watch Youtube or play high res stuff over Onkyo, I can switch from app to app. However, iOS as a system for audio, has it's own drawbacks, but that's not really in the scope of this discussion.

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    I've got a flagship phone from Huawei, which is a perfectly fine smartphone as far as I'm concerned. With money I saved compared to an IPhone, I also bought a Fiio x5 2nd gen portable music player and a very decent pair of headphones (Sennheiser Momentum 2, over ear, passive).

    Fiio supports native DSD playback and 24/192 FLAC and all sorts of other formats iPhone owners can't even dream about, and copying files is as easy as copying them to an external SD card. Last time I tried to get some flac's on my old IPhone, it was a complete nightmare. And the sound quality is amazing compared to any phone.

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    I've got a flagship phone from Huawei, which is a perfectly fine smartphone as far as I'm concerned. With money I saved compared to an IPhone, I also bought a Fiio x5 2nd gen portable music player and a very decent pair of headphones (Sennheiser Momentum 2, over ear, passive).

    Fiio supports native DSD playback and 24/192 FLAC and all sorts of other formats iPhone owners can't even dream about, and copying files is as easy as copying them to an external SD card. Last time I tried to get some flac's on my old IPhone, it was a complete nightmare. And the sound quality is amazing compared to any phone.

     

    My old iPhone could play FLAC and high resolution up to the limit of the DAC. Copying files to an iPhone that way can be done with an app called waltr.

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    I've got a flagship phone from Huawei, which is a perfectly fine smartphone as far as I'm concerned. With money I saved compared to an IPhone, I also bought a Fiio x5 2nd gen portable music player and a very decent pair of headphones (Sennheiser Momentum 2, over ear, passive).

    Fiio supports native DSD playback and 24/192 FLAC and all sorts of other formats iPhone owners can't even dream about, and copying files is as easy as copying them to an external SD card. Last time I tried to get some flac's on my old IPhone, it was a complete nightmare. And the sound quality is amazing compared to any phone.

     

    I've played DSD 5.6 MHz files off my old iPhone 6S before. I've also done PCM to DSD 11.2 MHz real time conversion too. Not sure what you're trying to prove with your gimped setup. It was pretty easy too, just drag and drop.

     

    If you thought copying FLAC to an iPhone is hard, considering how easy it is, it must point to user error.

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    Great article Chris!!

     

    I've recently gone through a slightly similar frustrating experience but in my case, converting from my recalled Samsung Note 7 to an iPhone 7+. I use an Oppo HA-2 DAC/Amp with a manual volume control so I didn't have the enumerating volume level issue with my Samsung that you and others have had with the DragonFly. I've used the Onkyo HF Player and had no issues streaming hi-res and DSD files (via DoP) to my Oppo w/JH16 setup.

     

    The issue I'm having with my new iPhone is it doesn't sync well with JRiver. JRiver recognizes the Samsug as an external hard drive - it actually provides seperate devices for the phone's internal memory and one for the 256gb SD card and automatically syncs playlists to either location. Apple only allows syncing through iTunes but after some research, sorting through a lot of misinformation (like some crazy jailbreak solutions) and going through several trial purchases, I finally found iExplorer that almost worked for me. It does well to sync DSD files but with ALAC files, JRiver can synch them but IOS prevents JRiver from seeing them again after syncing. So JRiver re-syncs duplicate (renamed files) again every time I reconnect. In order to get ALAC files to sync to the iPhone, I have to manually export playlists from JRiver to iTunes and use iTunes to synch them. Good grief!

     

    Add it to the list of first world problems :)

     

    Looking forward to seeing how you progress through this transition.

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    Great article Chris!!

     

    I've recently gone through a slightly similar frustrating experience but in my case, converting from my recalled Samsung Note 7 to an iPhone 7+. I use an Oppo HA-2 DAC/Amp with a manual volume control so I didn't have the enumerating volume level issue with my Samsung that you and others have had with the DragonFly. I've used the Onkyo HF Player and had no issues streaming hi-res and DSD files (via DoP) to my Oppo w/JH16 setup.

     

    The issue I'm having with my new iPhone is it doesn't sync well with JRiver. JRiver recognizes the Samsug as an external hard drive - it actually provides seperate devices for the phone's internal memory and one for the 256gb SD card and automatically syncs playlists to either location. Apple only allows syncing through iTunes but after some research, sorting through a lot of misinformation (like some crazy jailbreak solutions) and going through several trial purchases, I finally found iExplorer that almost worked for me. It does well to sync DSD files but with ALAC files, JRiver can synch them but IOS prevents JRiver from seeing them again after syncing. So JRiver re-syncs duplicate (renamed files) again every time I reconnect. In order to get ALAC files to sync to the iPhone, I have to manually export playlists from JRiver to iTunes and use iTunes to synch them. Good grief!

     

    Add it to the list of first world problems :)

     

    Looking forward to seeing how you progress through this transition.

     

    With Jriver you don't need any files on your phone at all. Just stream it. That's the beauty with it. It will only compress Hi Res files to iPhones highest capabilities. I think that's part of the article everyone missed. With the Iphone (I'm assuming all phones) and Jriver you have access to your entire collection from home, at will, around the globe (Data charges may apply). Where there's no coverage, use Tidal off line for your content.

     

    You have to configure your router to stream from your home to your phone. Jriver and CA, have articles to guide you through that process.

     

    If all you want is Hi Res files then your SOL for streaming, they'll get converted. You can still load the files on the phone. This is where I think Chris was making an attempt with using an Android device. They have far more capabilities and open software to work with.

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    With Jriver you don't need any files on your phone at all. Just stream it. That's the beauty with it. It will only compress Hi Res files to iPhones highest capabilities. I think that's part of the article everyone missed. With the Iphone (I'm assuming all phones) and Jriver you have access to your entire collection from home, at will, around the globe (Data charges may apply). Where there's no coverage, use Tidal off line for your content.

     

    You have to configure your router to stream from your home to your phone. Jriver and CA, have articles to guide you through that process.

     

    If all you want is Hi Res files then your SOL for streaming, they'll get converted. You can still load the files on the phone. This is where I think Chris was making an attempt with using an Android device. They have far more capabilities and open software to work with.

     

    Thanks Shawn. Oh yeah, I've tried several workarounds to my current issue with the iPhone. I stream often from JRiver but that introduces another set of issues. I travel a lot. Have you tried the wifi connection on American Airlines lately? I can barely get 64Kbps transcoded data to stream on their flights. I also have several hills around me and there are three Verizon dropout points on my drive to work. With my Samsung I could use JRiver to sync any file in any format to my phone. As you said, with ALAC files and my iPhone...I'm SOL :)

     

    In my world:

     

    - My car stereo works better with iPhone and iPods, especially the early gen Wolfson DAC classics

    - iPod classics work better with ALAC files, they don't play FLAC or hi res files (without mods my car stereo doesn't like)

    - My multi-resolution music collection works better through JRiver

    - JRiver works (syncs) better with Android (or any non-IOS device)

    - JRiver will sync FLAC files to my iPhone (with an iExplorer workaround) but since I use my car iPod more I keep everything in ALAC files

    - My iPhone works better with iTunes (of course)

    - My home network, mostly DLNA works better with JRiver and often has to down convert all high-res files

    - My Headphone DAC supports DSD files and (fortunately) works well with all mobile devices

    - None of my DACs support multi-channel DSD

    - My main Marantz 8801 does not support DSD but it supports multi-channel hi-res (through HDMI)

    - Oh and let's not forget, my phone works better when I'm on the same OS as my wife who also likes to check out new tech every couple years (especially with proprietary IOS apps)

     

    My experience has been each of these platforms have there issues and wacky, frustrating and sometimes costly workarounds...which often rinse, cycle and repeat after each OS update or I change just one link in the chain.

     

     

     

     

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    Thanks Shawn. Oh yeah, I've tried several workarounds to my current issue with the iPhone. I stream often from JRiver but that introduces another set of issues. I travel a lot. Have you tried the wifi connection on American Airlines lately? I can barely get 64Kbps transcoded data to stream on their flights. I also have several hills around me and there are three Verizon dropout points on my drive to work. With my Samsung I could use JRiver to sync any file in any format to my phone. As you said, with ALAC files and my iPhone...I'm SOL :)

     

    In my world:

     

    - My car stereo works better with iPhone and iPods, especially the early gen Wolfson DAC classics

    - iPod classics work better with ALAC files, they don't play FLAC or hi res files (without mods my car stereo doesn't like)

    - My multi-resolution music collection works better through JRiver

    - JRiver works (syncs) better with Android (or any non-IOS device)

    - JRiver will sync FLAC files to my iPhone (with an iExplorer workaround) but since I use my car iPod more I keep everything in ALAC files

    - My iPhone works better with iTunes (of course)

    - My home network, mostly DLNA works better with JRiver and often has to down convert all high-res files

    - My Headphone DAC supports DSD files and (fortunately) works well with all mobile devices

    - None of my DACs support multi-channel DSD

    - My main Marantz 8801 does not support DSD but it supports multi-channel hi-res (through HDMI)

    - Oh and let's not forget, my phone works better when I'm on the same OS as my wife who also likes to check out new tech every couple years (especially with proprietary IOS apps)

     

    My experience has been each of these platforms have there issues and wacky, frustrating and sometimes costly workarounds...which often rinse, cycle and repeat after each OS update or I change just one link in the chain.

     

     

     

     

    Sent from my iPhone using Computer Audiophile

     

    Isn't computer audio fun:)

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    Have you guys seen this player for android - https://igg.me/at/air-tunes they claim its audiophile quality and supports flac,alac,etc. Its got a bunch of effects like compressors, bass boost, reverb and whatnot. do you guys think getting this is a good idea?

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    Have you guys seen this player for android - https://igg.me/at/air-tunes they claim its audiophile quality and supports flac,alac,etc. Its got a bunch of effects like compressors, bass boost, reverb and whatnot. do you guys think getting this is a good idea?

    Mostly technobabble. It also doesn't exist.

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    Nice article. Thanks. I learned some things.

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    I have a Pixel phone. If there's interest, I can do some measurements after the holidays.

     

    Can someone suggest a free/demo player with support for high-res files?

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